American Labradors vs. English Labradors?

We at Rosewood Retrievers specialize in the breeding of American Labradors. What’s the difference between American labs and English labs? Let me try to explain.

The American Labradors, also known as ‘Field’ or ‘Hunting’ Labradors, originated in United States and are used more for hunting or field work. Also, they are frequently used in Field Trials or Hunt Test competitions. American Labradors can also be seen in the show ring (or dog shows), but usually don’t do well.

American Labrador

Physical Differences
The American Labrador is more energetic than the English Labrador. They have a longer nose, longer legs, a thinner body and the tail sometimes curls upward and are taller. Probably due to interbreeding, they also come with their own unique set of health problems, including Hip, Eye, Elbow Dysplasia and EIC (Exercise Induced Collapse). EIC is when the dog will just collapse in the field usually after a strenuous exercise. In extreme cases some dogs can even collapse by merely anticipaing a strenuous workout. CNM ( Canine Neuromuscaluar Myopothy) which is similar to Muscular Dystrophy in humans. The EIC and CNM do appear more frequently in the American Labradors over the English Labradors.

English Labrador

The English Labrador originated in England and are the Show or Bench Labradors. They are usually the Labradors that are seen in the show ring, although they also can perform in the Field Trials or Hunt Tests and also can be used for hunting. They have shorter noses, blockier heads, thicker bodies, they have a thick otter tail and are shorter and heavier. They also have health problems including the Hip, Eye and Elbow dysplasia. But they are now testing them also for the EIC and the CNM.

Crossing the American Labrador or Field Lab to the English Labrador or bench Lab, create a new moderate show dog or field dog.

Personally I wish AKC would recognize both the American Labrador and English Labrador as two different types of Labradors, like the English Cocker and the American Cocker.

ABOUT US: We have owned Labrador retrievers since 1975 and started training hunt test retrievers in 1997. Our forty acre facility borders the Oquirrh Mountains and the Stansbury Mountain ranges in beautiful Grantsville, Utah. It is fully fenced and is complete with dog ponds, kennels, and a hunting gully.

We offer top quality Labrador puppies out of the best lines of Field Champion and Hunt Test sires and dams, in all three colors. We also offer at stud AKC hunt test titled Labrador retrievers in all three colors.

Our facility offers boarding, puppy training, obedience training and beginning gun dog training. We also offer pheasants, chuckars and other game birds. Please visit our website at: www.rosewoodretrievers.com

This article is solely the opinion of Rosewood Retrievers, Inc.

238 Responses

on July 10, 2011 at 7:54 am Michelle malone Amaral

I am tired of people comparing my English type lab to the American one and telling me that my dog is fat! He is the same size as any healthy English lab version I see online and in shows….Ahhh, the ignorance! Thank’s for trying to spread the education.
on July 18, 2011 at 12:18 pm Virginia

Hi Michelle,
NO the English Labradors are not fat, and they are the same size as the American Labrador they are just built different. And they are beautiful, don’t let peoples ignorance get you down.
on November 16, 2011 at 10:12 am Megan

i have a labrador puppy he is currently 4 months old, i wish i knew that there were both an english and american breed, i have no clue as to witch he is yet only time will tell but he looks quite long legged so maybe american im thinking, but we love him all the same!
on January 9, 2012 at 8:35 pm SThompson

My Am lab female is tall, strong and a wonderful companion. I chose Am Lab over the Eng lab because I have a preference for field type dogs. My Eng Springer Spaniel is field type rather than ench as well. I find field type dogs to be more energetic and just as companionable as their bench cousins. Also I believe they retain their playfulness well into adult years.
on January 10, 2012 at 3:03 pm Rosewood Retrievers

We also love the American Lab, I breed them. I think they are beautiful, sleek like a thoroughbred race horse of the breed, so to say. I’m glad to hear you also love them.
on January 10, 2012 at 3:37 pm SThompson

I know everyone has personal preferences and mine seem to ring true. My father was an avid sport hunter and bred retrievers both labs and golden back in the 1950_60s. His dogs performed in the field – upland and water. Our golden lived to 19 yo and our labs – one yellow and one black – were long lived as well and they all continued to hunt throughout their lifetimes. While I don’t hunt, I just have an affinity to the gaminess of these dogs. I owned the Springer first and when her midwife yellow tabby died, I went looking for a companion to the Springer and decided to look for a lab. I found this beautiful black girl through lab rescue. She was in Indiana several states away at a kill shelter. Although a stray, she was micro chipped. I`ve often wondered what happened to the owner`s situation that they did not come looking for her. She`s obviously beautifully bred, very smart, trained for hunt and eager to please. So instead of one velcro dog, I`m the proud owner of two velco dogs who never leave my side…I`m blessed.
on February 10, 2012 at 11:46 am Heidi

People often ask why my (Field) Lab is so “skinny”. I explain the difference between the two types as most of the Labs around her are the English type… I wanted a high energy dog since I’m a jogger and also like to take long walks and hikes. The more athletic Field Lab fits in with my lifestyle and fortunately, I found a breeder who screened the parents for hip and elbow problems; I am inclined to believe the stockier English Lab is more prone to joint problems because they tend to put on weight moreso than the Field Lab.
on March 5, 2012 at 12:20 am Ronald D. David

It’s just now that i’m led to know that my dog is an American Lab. No wonder why she is long legged, tall and playful. She is actually the one i like over the english one, and i did get her not knowing she’s the american type.i appreciate her better now. thanks for the info.
on March 5, 2012 at 8:22 pm marijean leiffer

My husband and I have 3 English type labs, 2 being rescues and agree their should be a distinction. However, having had both l feel either type can make a great family member!
on March 8, 2012 at 12:15 am Gayle

I have a question. I have an English lab who is short and very slender (weighs 53 pounds). The vet says she is a good weight. Is she a cross between the two? She has all the features of an English lab except for the weight.
on March 20, 2012 at 8:14 pm Adriane

I love my English Lab girl. We also had an American Lab that we had to put down last summer. Saddest day of my life. He was 13 y/o. We got Stella from a rescue. She was used for breeding and when they were done with her, they dumped her at a high kill shelter. I’m so glad this rescue stepped her in and saved her. She is one of the sweetest, loving girls I’ve ever seen. I’m sure she was an awesome mommy too. Having had both American and English, I am a little more partial to the English. We are a very laid back family though.
on April 11, 2012 at 10:05 pm Mat

As Michelle does, I get comments on how my English Lab has to lose weight, so tired of trying to explain the difference to people I meet at the dog park or park. I jog and roller blade with the dog daily, keep him on a strict dog food only diet and the vet says he’s a healthy weight at 82 lbs. Lately to avoid the whole conversation I usually agree with the person and tell them I really need to stop feeding him beer, ice cream and table scraps….the look on their face is usually one of disgust which to me is priceless.
on April 12, 2012 at 6:40 am SThompson

My Jane, 6yo Am Lab gets 1-1/2 dry kibble 2X per day with an occasional marrow bone. She comes in at a hefty weight of 75#…not overweight but as she matured she has taken on mass – 20# of which I think is hair that sheds 2X per year. She’s tall but has lost her “lank”. Her problem is not food…she’s a lazy gal. We play ball and play, but usually she’s laying down watching Emily my Eng Springer jet around chasing squirrels. When the occasion arises, Jane can fly off the deck to help with squirrel patrol!
on July 23, 2012 at 1:19 am Pandi

I have both American Lab and English LOVE them both but to be honest in my opinion , the English lab is much prettier I do love the looks of my English lab.
on August 14, 2012 at 10:00 pm Helen

We had a great Black Lab who had championship show bloodline on his father’s side and his mother was from an American field line. He was beautiful. Looked English, square bones, sloping shoulder / back , thick tail and beautiful show walk. He had a little more height on him which came from the American Side.. When looking on line this Spring I did not find British Cross with American Lab. Wondered why this was not done more often.It makes for a lovely combination. I’m sure there is a reason just don’t know what it is.
on October 12, 2012 at 2:17 pm Andrea Moye

I think of it this way, English Labs are the beauty queens and American Labs are the Athlete’s. They both are wonderful.
on October 13, 2012 at 6:56 am Sthompson

Andrea, you certainly are entitled to your opinion, but to discount the beauty of the American Lab tells me you’re not that familiar with the breed. My Am Lab is a sleek black beauty, of substance yet not square and squaty…
on October 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm Andrea

Being called an Athlete is not rude, its a compliment. I have a 2 English labs and 1 field lab she is 13. She was so smart and athletic with a gorgeous muscle build. My English labs are pretty but with much less endurance than my field. No reason to personally attack me. I love both kinds.
on October 15, 2012 at 7:12 am Sthompson

Field lab? Once breeders produced stock for the show ring, phenotypes began to change defining “bench” standards that typically cost distortions of form to function with defining genotype following. The phenotypes and genotypes of American Labs and English Labs are quite different. Ultimately the AKC standard narrowly defines the English Labrador phenotype. It’s doubtful owners of American Labs would identify their animals with labels “bench” or “field” types. All Labs ought to be athletic – after all the AKC places Labs in the Sporting Group.
on November 2, 2012 at 3:21 am CheeseBurgers

I dont have a dog but I would like one, which one is better out of the two(american and english)
on December 3, 2012 at 11:13 am Kimberly

I had an English Lab for about 10 years until cancer took her. She was always by my side, though she was also independent, and very protective – especially of children (even if she didn’t know the child). She was gorgeous and intelligent. It generally only took one or two repetitions for her to learn a new training command. I recently got an American Lab. She’s a rescue and about 3 yrs old. She is just as smart, and when strangers get to close, she presses herself against my legs and gives them low warning barks just like the English Lab. The only difference I’ve noticed that might make you choose one or the other is that the American Lab requires more daily activity to be happy then did my English Lab. The English was happy with an hour or two of good exercise or play a day – or, she was excellent at recognizing when I was sick or something and was happy to just stay at my side. The American Lab is edgy and anxious without 3 to 4 hours of vigorous play or excercise. When she gets what she needs, though, then she’s the typical lazy Lab at your feet. I will admonish you to be very very very choosy about your breeder. My English Lab came from Black Wing Labs in Cabot, Arkansas. We drove all the way from Tennessee for her, and she was worth that time, trouble and money and more. Bad breeders will breed out all the mannerisms, behaviors and instincts that make the Lab the kind of dog that people adore. Otherwise, you could be the proud owner of a dog that you resent because they make you miserable. We made that mistake with the very first Lab we every had – had to rehome her becuase she kept knocking my toddler down the steps. No protective instinct at all. She was impossible to housetrain, while my English and American Labs were a breeze. Also, invest in a beginner training class – and know that dogs are pack animals. They look for an alpha (especially large dogs) and if you won’t be the alpha, they will. It’s not about cruelty or hurting them. It’s about letting them know that you are the boss, no exceptions. I could go on and on with all the tips I learned from having my Labs, but I won’t. Good luck!!!! They are so worth it!
on December 3, 2012 at 2:51 pm Disappointed

Your comment nailed the issue of indiscriminate/profit-oriented “breeders”. I own an American Lab 6 yo (Lab Rescue of Am) and an English Springer Spaniel 5 yo both females. Both are incredibly companionable – real “velcro” dogs. Both are intelligent and each has individual qualities of their respective breed – albeit the Lab is less energetic than the Springer. Both will chase a ball far longer than my arm can hold out and both know when its my “quiet” time. Springers like so many other breeds got an undeserved bad rap from breeders who didn’t understand bloodlines, recessives and weaknesses. The result is an epileptic condition that causes well-mannered Springers at around 5-6 yo to fly into rages, often causing injury to owners and others ending with an animal needlessly put down. Somehow folks have forgotten the BEST quality of any dog is their companionship – that takes real intelligence and willing tractability. I don’t mean to generalize the show ring, but “look” has compromised the very qualities that may our dogs memorable.
on December 3, 2012 at 7:37 pm Dennis Virkstis

20 years ago we had the “american” lab. Those labs were ok but always high strung. The last 4 labs we have gotten have been from true english stock. The difference between the 2 is not even close. The english stock is far superior in intelligence and temperment. Training them for hunting and family households is not even close. Sorry to not agree with your site. It’s just ignorant breeders trying to make people believe they produce good labs.
on December 4, 2012 at 8:02 am Disappointed

WOW Dennis, sounds like you had a really bad experience and that has tainted your forward view. Glad you’re happy with your Eng Labs – to each his own. However, please note, my father was a field trials judge and owned two Am Labs… Enough said.
on December 6, 2012 at 8:40 am gary mallory

so glad I looked at this everytime I walk my dogs 1 white retriever and 1 american black lab people ask what the black one is now I know hes an american lab I can tell them. The amount of people who thought he was a lurcher.
on December 7, 2012 at 8:22 am Rosewood Retrievers

I can’t say which one is better, I also own both I recently purchased an Enlish Lab for the show ring and I must admit she is calmer and a bit more down to earth. But she also loves to Hunt and has energy, but now as much as my American Labs, So only in my opinion if you are a Hiker, Runner or love to run Trials or Hunt tests I would get an American Lab they have more energy and can go longer periods of time in the field. BUT if you go on shorter hunting trips an English Lab would do fine.
on December 7, 2012 at 8:29 am Rosewood Retrievers

I breed the American Lab and I am not an ignorant breeder trying to make people believe i produce good Labs. They are VERY intelligent and great temperment. I also own both the English and American and the only thing I agree with you is that they are different, but one is not Superior over the other. It boils down to what do you want out of your dog !!!!
on January 25, 2013 at 9:32 pm Don Daugherty

I have sat here drinking coffee in the morning with my new four month old English lab at me feet. I found everyone to have valid points and also found this site to be very informative. After spending 40 plus minutes here, I feel compelled to add a comment.
My last lab was an American lab, black and named Maggie. She was a doll. We had a large fenced yard in Florida and she ran and swam everyday. She was fit and wonderful. Sometimes a little sulky if we went somewhere without her. She was consumed by cancer at six and we had to put her down. She traveled all of the USA, then Saudi Arabia and the UAE where I currently work. I thought there could never be a better dog… then I got myself an English chocolate lab, named Anna-Belle. I hate to admit it because I loved Maggie so much, but I think this little English lab will have her beat. So intelligent and eager to learn. Taught to sit and fetch in a day. After four days, she knows to ring a cows bell at my front door, to let me know we need to go outside… I love them both and we can debate all day long, but the bottom line is, you either love labs or you don’t!! And according to the world statistics, labs RULE!! American or English… love them all!

Don
on February 8, 2013 at 8:17 pm aphishon

Don, I couldn’t of said it better,we all need to love the dog we brought home, cause thats what they need & want from us. We found a field lab waitin’ for us at the shalter, he can’t stand bein’ left alone or walked on a leash but loves to be off the leash & play w/other dogs & play retrive the ball, also loves to swim everyday. I don’t think it would of matter if he were a english breed or not, we would of loved him all the same
on February 8, 2013 at 9:34 pm Don Daugherty

My thoughts exactly. I can tell you that my English lab is a bit more of a free spirit than my last lab which was an American lab.

This new puppy is always in explore mode, and loves to play, but does not want too much cuddle time. She’ll get a little restless and put a small distance between my wife and I. My last lab was a cuddle addict and we were attached at the hips.

Both are wonderful pets.
on March 21, 2013 at 8:27 pm Stephanie Grodem

I’m tired of my landlord telling me my lab retriever isn’t full blooded. She looks just like the dog in the banner up top, she’s red, and her hair isn’t long, even though my landlord insists that it is. She says that mine is a labrador retriever and she raised just labs, not realizing they are the same thing, there is no such breed as just a lab.
on March 21, 2013 at 10:27 pm Don Daugherty

Do you have AKC papers? That would put the issue to bed.

If not for the St. Johns water dog, there would be no labs anywhere as this was their original origin. So no worries… either get a new landlord, or just roll with it and love your dog.

People argue and debate about every petty thing there is to talk about. I think the only thing to debate is what is better… dogs or cats? The answer, dogs!!

Especially Lab’s!!!
on March 22, 2013 at 4:32 am Stephanie Grodem

I don’t have papers, I rescued her from the pound, but my mother-in-law ran a dog grooming salon for years, and the vet says she is def. full-blooded. I guess I just get annoyed at her know-it-all attitude, and I surely do wish I could get a new landlord, but I assure you it’s for more reasons than that. People do love to argue, and I love both dogs and cats, but love dogs more. lol! Especially my lab.
on March 22, 2013 at 9:53 am Shirley Thompson

I own an Am Lab – beautiful, black, 90#, athletic and fit female. Some arrogant snobs at the dog park sneer at my lab as if she’s defective. Note these same folks are owners of the square stubby Eng Lab type that has been bred for show ring and have lost many of the originally intended attributes. I frankly don’t care.
on March 22, 2013 at 9:52 pm Don Daugherty

We must be related..!!
on March 23, 2013 at 10:29 am Tony

I have a 10 month old red lab never knew there was such a color can someone tell me more about the red lab. I had to register him as a yellow lab with the AKC.
on March 23, 2013 at 12:28 pm Shirley Thompson

For those who insist “there’s is better, bigger, more expensive” at the same folks who would never understand the undying loyalty of the lab (and my Eng Springer Spaniel). Both my girls are “velco” dogs and with me every inch of life. And, to me, there is no comparison.
on March 23, 2013 at 2:46 pm MariJean Leiffer

We have 3 “English” labs, while my cousin owns an “American” lab. I love them all, no matter what labels are placed on them. All of them are wonderful companions, very smart, energetic, happy and healthy beloved family members!
on March 23, 2013 at 5:59 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Tony,
AKC offers only the 3 colors Black, Yellow and Chocolat. I have a white lab and a fox red lab and they are both registered as yellow. Another example is your dilute colors a silver is a chocolate, a charcoal is a black and a champane is a yellow. Years ago you could register it as any color you wanted, but I believe in the early 80’s AKC changed it to Black, Yellow, Chocolate only.
on March 23, 2013 at 6:14 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Yes I love them all also, wheather it’s American or English Labradors are the best.
on March 23, 2013 at 9:32 pm Don

INHERITANCE OF COAT COLOR IN THE LABRADOR RETRIEVER

Labrador retrievers have coats of three basic colors: yellow, black, and chocolate. These colors are determined genetically, just like almost all of the traits that offspring get from their parents. The mode of inheritance of coat color is autosomal (not related to the sex of the dog), with the information for black and brown at a different location in the chromosomes (locus) from the information for yellow.

BLACK OR CHOCOLATE?

In determining if your puppies will be black or chocolate, the black coat color (B) is dominant to the chocolate (b). Therefore, a puppy will only be chocolate if each parent contributes the chocolate gene (bb). If one (Bb) or both (BB) parents contribute the black (dominant) gene, the puppy will be black (BB or Bb), although it can carry chocolate (Bb).

WHAT ABOUT YELLOW?

The gene that determines if your Labrador puppies will be yellow or not is at a different location, (locus) in the DNA from the black versus chocolate gene. In order to be yellow, a Labrador must have two recessive copies of the yellow gene (yy). In this case, the yellow color completely inactivates the black or brown genes, and the puppy is yellow. This means both parents contributed a yellow gene (y). However, if only one (Yy) or no (YY) yellow
genes are contributed, the puppy will be either black or chocolate, determined as explained above by what is on the black/chocolate gene. Two yellow labs (yy) can only have yellow puppies (yy), since they both have two copies of the yellow gene and that is all they can contribute. On the other hand, some black (BbYy or BBYy) and chocolate (bbYy ) Labradors carry one copy of the yellow gene, and if they are bred there is a chance that some puppies, by luck, will get a copy from each parent and turn out yellow (Bbyy, BByy or bbyy).

TAN POINT? WHAT’S THIS?

To make matters even more confusing, at yet another location there is a gene for tan point, which makes Labradors be colored similarly to Rottweilers or Dobermans. In order to see this, a puppy must have two copies of this gene, i.e. get one from each parent. If the puppy has the genes for black or chocolate as explained above AND two copies of tan point, it will be its predetermined color with tan markings. However, if it has the genes for yellow, the tan point features are hidden, and it will be yellow.

Colour

The three primary colour varieties of the Labrador Retriever
Labrador Retrievers are registered in three colours: black (a solid black colour), yellow (anything from the colour that some breeders sell as white or cream to “fox-red”), and chocolate (medium to dark brown). Some dogs are sold as “silver” pure-bred Labradors, but purity of those bloodlines is currently under dispute. Major kennel clubs around the world allow Silver Labradors to be registered, but not as ‘Silver’. The Kennel Club (England) requires that they be registered as ‘Non-recognized’. The parent club for the Labrador Retriever in the USA (the LRC) states publically that ‘There is no genetic basis for the silver gene in Labradors’.Occasionally Labradors will exhibit small amounts of white on their chest, paws or tail, and rarely a purebred Lab will exhibit brindling (stripes) or tan points similar to a Rottweiler.These markings are a disqualification for show dogs but do not have any bearing on the dog’s temperament or ability to be a good working or pet dog.
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on March 31, 2013 at 8:44 am Andrea Roxburgh

I have a 10 month old black female Lab… I bought her from a very successful breeder of the stocky, English show-type Labs. Im disappointed because she has turned out like an American Field Lab. She is very tall with a long, slender body and a long muzzle, big flappy ears, spindly legs and and an upturned tail. She is also very energetic and she drives me crazy. If she didnt have such beautiful, intelligent eyes, and such a gentle, loving and affectionate personality, I would have rehomed her. I love her, but I havent been able to get over my dissapointment, as English Labs are my favourite… And my last Lab was a magnificent example.
on April 5, 2013 at 2:33 pm pierre kaii

i have 2 labradors the female is an english lab and the male is an american lab, there is any problem if i cross them????
on April 6, 2013 at 10:37 pm Don

Heck no… you’ll have the best of both worlds…

Watch out if the English lab wants to start walking on the wrong side of the road… LOL
on April 15, 2013 at 4:15 pm laura

I have both, english and am and I cant say one is better than the other. I love them both dearly. I will say that the am was smarter at training all the way around, but I dont think it has to do with what kind of labs they are, I think it is personality. my english has many champions on both sides and my am dont have any,but she knows what she was bred for.. our first day fishing she
ran right in the water and brought me back the fish I just released.I JUST LOVE MY LABS!!
on April 17, 2013 at 8:55 am Tripti

Thanks allot for the article, I am relaxed now after coming to know that I have an American Lab, as I was tired of hearing that my lab is not pure breed as people use to compare it with the english labs. 🙂
on April 18, 2013 at 9:53 pm Don Daugherty

Looks like you did not get an English Lab. USA labs needs twice the exercise to stay fit, and have an insatiable appetite.

My English lab is on my feet sleeping whilst I send you this note… sleeping beauty.

Train your puppy now while young. Give her time, she won’t disappoint you for long. My wife felt the same way about our English lab. Now the tide has turned and they are inseparable.
on April 19, 2013 at 8:49 pm Amanda

Whoa!! glad I stumbled across this site – I am currently trying to decide on which Lab to get for my Beagle to have a friend – if I wasn’t confused before I sure am now LOL
on April 19, 2013 at 10:40 pm Don Daugherty

Beagles are nervous and often sulk if you leave them while you are out.

They love exercise however, so if you have time for lots of out of doors activities, go USA lab. English labs need less, so I would use that as a baseline.

My last lab was a mutt-lab. Half beagle and have American lab. She was really smart, and very clingy. She thought she was a puppy at 70 pounds.

We took her all over the world with us, and she was an international dog for sure.
on May 8, 2013 at 6:56 am Patty Reese

Patty Reese
May 8, 2013

I LOVE MY CHOCOLATE LAB! He was purchased in Clinton, NY – Eli Brooke Labrador Retrievers – Gail Mosher Owner. My Lab’s name is Bennington (Ben for short). He is 1 year and half. Just when I think Ben is getting too heavy, I read comments from a sight like this and “Ben is just right.” Thanks for all the info re: English Lab vs American Labs. In my opinion, both are wonderful dogs.
on May 9, 2013 at 2:54 pm Karen

I just adopted a lab from a shelter. It is the best dog that I have ever owned. She has a pinkish nose. She is the sweetest little girl.
She may be a mix but looks like a lab. Just love her…
on May 10, 2013 at 8:12 am Rosewood Retrievers

This was a great arcticle on the color coat. Labradors do only come in the 3 colors Black, yellow, and Chocolate. But I do want to add to you opinion on the “Silver” coat. What the Silver, Charcoal and champane are, are color dilutes the silver is a chocolate diluted gene, the charcoal is a diluted black gene and the champane is a yellow dilute gene. But they are pure Labradors nothing else and they haven’t been mixed with another breed in past history either JUST LABRADORS. They are AKC regisitered as a Chocolate, Black or Yellow
on May 10, 2013 at 8:15 am Rosewood Retrievers

Thank you for liking my website, I also like it, my webmaster is phenominal and I don’t know what I would do with out him. As far as the spelling I don’t care if someone misspells a word in a post I get the drift.
on May 10, 2013 at 8:20 am Rosewood Retrievers

I’m not always happy with what I have got out of breeding either. But it’s great that you have kept her so many people discard their animals because they have not met their expectations. But buying a puppy is a crap shoot you never know what they will look like or how they will act. You can’t guarantee a great hunting dog or guarantee a show dog. But what I can guarantee is that a Labrador will love you unconditionally
on May 10, 2013 at 8:23 am Rosewood Retrievers

No absoulutly not, you can cross them a Labrador is a Labrador. If you look back in the 30’s and 40’s your show dogs were leaner and taller like the American Lab, but now days they are shorter with blockier heads. So if you mate them you will have to see them as adults to see what they will look like.
on May 10, 2013 at 8:30 am Rosewood Retrievers

Is there something I can help you with to make things more clear? A Labrador is a Labrador and the American VS. English is a style, a look !! They both love to run, fetch, swim, hunt, play and whatever else Labs love to do. So there should be no confusion, if you want a Labrador for your beagle, buy a Labrador
on May 10, 2013 at 8:31 am Rosewood Retrievers

GREAT!!! Thank you for saving a Labrador
on May 10, 2013 at 8:51 am Shirley Thompson

Confused over American Lab – English Lab? IMHO that’s what happens when money and “designer” breeders who on show ring and devalue field champions. Labradors ARE Labradors…only natural selection has been interfered with in the case of “English” labs by show/breeders (folks who place their agenda over the breed) who have genetically altered breed characteristics through selection of phenotype (how they look). AKC then followed by altering the breed standards. Labs are working dogs…retrievers which takes athleticism, agility and being bred form to function and not form to form. Put another way consider human athletes – wide receivers are trim, wirey and agile while blockers are stocky and heavy. If you threw a football down field, which do you think would fetch the ball and return it more quickly? How many times could you continue throwing the football before one stopped from exhaustion? In the 1950’s-70’s my father bred retrievers, trained and judged field trials – Goldens and Labradors (yellow/black). I don’t remember any of his dogs/bitches to be stocky and square like today’s Labradors. Same thing happened when Crabbet-bred Arabian horses (imported direct from Beadouin tribes) were bred in the US to European Arabian stock…the 14 hand finely typed horse has transformed into 15+ hands bulkier, heavier boned and less “typed”. I don’t mean to offend anyone, I’m only trying to point out breed characteristics are far more than “look”.
on May 17, 2013 at 8:41 pm Keith Levan

I am trying to find an American Lab pup, female, chocolate preferably but black is second choice. I had a chocolate years past that was built like an American lab but had long hair on her ears. This fits nether the description of American or English. If is was physically possible for her she could easily be trained to do it. Coco was the top dog of my ownership of dogs. We finally had her put down at age 14 because of just heart breaking health issues. We recently just lost a Chesapeake retriever due to my negligence of heart worm meds. That won’t happen again. So I am in search of a American Lab female chocolate pup. Can anyone help me with this search without the $1000.00 dollar price tag attached to it. If so kglevan@bellsouth.net.
on May 18, 2013 at 12:01 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Keith
We have just bred Gander with Ginger (chocolate)there are 4 people on a waiting list. Also we have bred Gander with Tiara (black) there are 2 people on the waiting list. The chocolate litter is $600.00 and the black litter is $700.00. If interested in either of these litters you can contact me at 801-554-6535
on May 18, 2013 at 8:48 pm Don Daugherty

There you go…. Chocolate, at an affordable price, and a reputable breeder.

Sounds like win, win…. healthy dog, good blood lines, and peace of mind. I would go this route.

If the price is too high for your budget, try Craigs list and local places to where your from.

Good luck!!
on May 23, 2013 at 6:39 am Keith Levan

Appreciate your time the other morning. I sat down with my wife and we looked at your website. Coco is absolutely gorgeous. Have you ever bred Coco with Gander? The darker chocolate of Coco reminds us of our past Coco. Just wondering. And also when will you breed Coco again?
on May 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Keith
Cocoa is Ganders daughter. So I can’t breed them together. But I will probably breed Cocoa to Tag late this year or early next year. This breeding will give 1/2 chocolate and 1/2 black
on June 7, 2013 at 6:54 am Tammy

I didn’t know there was a difference in Chocolate labs until about 5 years ago when I answered a re-homing need ad. When I first saw “Big Chuck”, I asked “Are you sure that is a lab?!?” He was my other half and I recently had to put him down due to cancer. I held him and sang to him until I saw the life leave his eyes. I can’t even type this without crying. We answered another ad for a lab and neither us nor the owner can tell if our new Lab is Anerican or English, and his color is what I would call Brindle. Doesn’t matter, I love them both. My new boy is helping heal the pain, but he is his own self and I will add his ways to my category of what I love about my family members.

In loving memory of Charlie, aka “Big Chuck”
on June 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm Bob Baron

Gotta put my two cents into this debate. Every dog I’ve been lucky enough to share my life with has had its own, distinct and precioius personality, a soul if you’d like. That comes first. My last dog, Brandy was an American, field-type Lab who came from a very small hunting-orientated breeder in Oklahoma. She was an absolute love and joy. Like any Lab she needed daily walks to burn off energy and anxousness, but she grew into a fabulous house pet, very feminine, pretty with her long, lanky legs and straight snout, endearingly fey and solicitous having been raised with our three kids whom she brooded over like a mother hen, until they grew up and moved on with their lives. Brandy nearly made it to 13 when she passed away, leaving us heartbroken. Brandy’s successor is Indy, a male, English Lab with bench champions in his bloodlines. Both are yellow Labs, but I wanted Indy to contrast with Brandy, who was one of a kind and irreplaceable. Well, Indy did not disappoint. He is a fun-loving, boyish ball of energy. And he is an amazing leaper, a born Frizbe junkie and a
terrific walker. So I personally see very little difference between the two types. However, I do think it important to start training early and with consistency. Indy went through puppy socialization class and then two obediance classes. Labs may be “easy to train” but that doesn’t mean that they are born trained. It’s a pleasure to walk a calm, non-pulling Lab, and with a little bit of effort you and your dog can learn to do this without much difficulty. Final point: it’s easy to keep Indy’s weight down. We use a low-calorie Kibble and carrots and vegetable treats. No table scraps! No cookies! English Labs aren’t born fat. [You can see a picture of Indy on page 27 of “Just Labs” Magazine (January/February 2013].
on June 19, 2013 at 4:51 pm Jordie

Well hello Lab lovers every where!
I have a 5 year old Americian…Head like cement! Smart, strong,THE MOST INDEPENDENT LAB I HAVE EVER HAD! Yes I love her, and yes she gets lots of swimming and Chuckit ball living on the Chesapeake Bay. But I must say training her has been….and IS difficult. She is 5 years going on 6 months!!!
She has her CGC and did pass the Therapy Dog Testing. But she is the kind of THerapy Dog that would PUT someone in the hospital, not visit them!
Very excitable girl. Love everything that moves be it human or animal.
She is a wonderful girl as far as her loving nature, But hey, thats a Lab!
Anyone else have one of these head-strong girls?
Norfolk, Va.
on June 19, 2013 at 5:05 pm Jordie

One more comment…….I see in your picture(Rosewood Retrivers) at the beginning of this page that your Lab is wearing a training collar. I also used on at 6 months to 2 years and even had a trainer who trains hunters. But it just did not seem to work on her. Any idea why it may not have worked? It was a Dogtra with the LED light . waterproof and never failed in the water. Lots of folks were very upset when I used this on my Gracie Americian Lab girl. But I was really having trouble with her at that age.
Now at 5 she still is a very head strong girl, and sometimes I still think she could use the collar. ANything wrong with trying the collar again after a laps of 2 years> Will listen to all advise. I can use it!
Jordie
on June 20, 2013 at 4:22 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Jordie,
I got the picture of your beautiful girl. Oh yes I have 20 Labradors, all with different personalities and I have two that are just like your girl. Very high energy with the smarts to go with it, but on the other hand difficult to train because they have soooooooooooo much energy they can’t sit still to listen and learn. but I love them all, and all the difference in each and everyone make my life a very happy one.
I got the picture of your girl, she is a beauty. Enjoy her because one day she will slow down.
on June 20, 2013 at 4:55 pm Jordie

Thank you…she is a challenging girl that is for sure. What do you think about using the Dogtra training collar on her after a 2 year laps? I believe she may need a bit of a reminder
on June 20, 2013 at 9:16 pm Don Daugherty

These last two comments were making my wife and I laugh and smile this morning… Labs that are head strong and heads like cement. LOL!!!

It has been our experience that you can break them of this with overloads of training and attention in the first year of life. But if other dogs are around, it may prove impossible ergo the pack mentality plays into effect.

Once you slack off on the training, you must keep an eye out for digression. You will find supplemental training along the way will keep them in line and listening. Don’t forget the free spirit could be hereditary and very hard to make go away fully.

My pup still listens very well at nine months of age and knows more than a dozen hand commanded and voice commanded tricks. But one piece of paper blowing in the wind, and she is off and running.

Good luck with the collar bit. I think you get more with honey than vinegar.
on June 21, 2013 at 11:00 am Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Jordie, Yes I’m a firm believer in using an electric collar, at any age. But please remember you can break a dogs spirit with a collar I have seen it done and it broke my heart. So please learn how to use it correctly before using it. I have a red Labrador and she is 4 years old and still will put you on ignore when the collar is not on her, so she is the type that will probably need it her entire life. The funny thing is you don’t even need the controller ha ha, just being on her makes her mind. But I have other dogs that will learn with it and then not need it any longer, except maybe a refresher course. So they are all different in their learning threshhold.
on June 21, 2013 at 1:12 pm Jordie

Hi there Don and wife:) You are so correct about other dogs being around. Gracie has lots of beach friends and that is were we spend most of your time, winter and summer. I have had her in many classes and she is the star of the class. ….But outside of class….it’s like “hey, you talkin to me”? She is better than she was at 1-3 years. But still as you said, she can not contain herself when around other dogs. The training collar is an issue for me. I felt it was necessary in the beginning, but not so sure now. What I have found is I must have a Drill Sargent attitude with her and it’s not what I’m use to with dogs.
To just tell Gracie “come” does nothing unless it’s in a very strong voice.
And yes, she is from hunting stock….what was I thinking!
She love the game of “search” where I will hide bits of freeze dried treats. She can find a peanut in a 50 acre field. Helps with her hunting drive.
Thanks for your input, it’s always helpful with a girl like Gracie.
on June 21, 2013 at 1:23 pm Jordie

Yelp, put the training collar on and she complies. Take if off and she KNOWS it’s off. I did hire a very good trainer who trains hunters and their dogs. She had all the correct ways of training with the collar. It was my fault, I became frustrated and gave up! Yes, that’s just what I did. Almost re-homed her at 3 years. She really was just too much dog for me. But I didn’t, and am glad of it.
She is a free spirited, loving girl, with a huge Lab Heart.
Having said that, there is still the issue of her lack of obedience. ANd who’s fault is that? Did not stay consistant. Working on ALL these issues and just
hope it’s not too late to ROCK HER WORLD A LITTLE BIT 🙂
on June 21, 2013 at 4:42 pm Jordie

My Am Girl Gracie, has a wonderful buddy Jake who is an English boy.
Both are wonderful dogs and have the same Lab quality….THEY LOVE EVERYONE. Doesn’t get any better than that. Do your home work, make a decision based on your life style and energy level and what ever you choose, Love it with all your heart, mind, and soul.
Just my thoughts!
My first Am Lab was a 5 week old pup left in a box at the front door of my Veterinary office. At 5 weeks I didn’t know what I had! This girl grew to be a beautiful (fox red) prue Americian Lab……with bad hips. She truly was something special in a spiritual way. Everyone who knew her
felt there was just something about her that you knew was different.
She became a wonderful Therapy Dog and brought so much joy to so many adults and children.
Her love was some of the best I have had in my life time!!! Oh no, gotta go get
the tissues.
on June 28, 2013 at 3:55 pm val

I had an english black lab for alittle over 13 years…He was my best friend….very loving, loyal, and great with everyone…even others animals…I found a breeder on the internet and wrote her…She was expecting a liter of black and choc, lab puppies….I picked a choc, male lab…..I paid and picked him up 8 weeks later and found out he was an american lab….I have been having such problems with him…He is in his second round of classes…he will not listen…he goes after my friends dogs and he is aggressive and means it…He’s is walked, played with everyday and goes to class…He jumps at kids, people and etc…..He is only 6 months old!!!! Is this normal for an american lab? Was there a problem in the breeding? I’m at such a loss… I love labs..
on June 29, 2013 at 1:44 pm Rosewood Retrievers

The high energy is more prone for the American Labs but NOT the aggressive behavior. It does happen but not often. You need a stern hand in training to settle them down, but they are used more for hunting and the high energy is great in the field. Don’t give up on him once he settles he’ll be a great dog I’m sure.
on June 29, 2013 at 3:43 pm MariJean Leiffer

I agree. Don’t give up on him. He may need some individual behavior classes. I have had both types and in general, the English lab appears to be calmer. We have a 3yo English bred lab now, who, for a better word is “crazy”. Our friends have an American bred lab or field lab, who is the same age but very calm in all aspects. I do believe all labs want to please their humans, so be persistent and it will pay off.
on June 29, 2013 at 4:14 pm Just_Sayin'

Unfortunately everyone that breeds a dog and bitch doesn’t have the knowledge to do so and often produce undesirable outcomes. The dog is young, I would return him to the breeder and find another. Am labs do have energy, but as the previous post noted – not unruly/aggressive energy. My Jane (6 yo) is lazy but very smart and in fact, I bought her through a shelter where an Indiana breeder/hunt reserve owner culls his field hunt dogs at training. She’s the only lab I’ve ever seen that doesn’t like water, wet grass…she dumps in my flower gardens on the mulch! Good retriever but probably not what a hunter would want. She is docile, loving and a great dog who tried jumping until she figured out a knee meeting her rising chest smarted and the jumping stopped. She is easy going and gets along with all the dogs at the daycare and our Eng Springer Spaniel Emily. My father bred Am labs and occasionally he would get an idiot and he would try to make a pet out of the dog and if the dog still was unwieldy he would destroy it. And, if the dog was the least bit aggressive he destroyed them earlier. In fact, if he two litters from the mating that produced a second idiot or an aggressive pup, he would not breed the pair and likely would watch other pairings and get rid of the parent that seemed to produce the undesirable trait. I have a friend who bought a beautiful Golden Retriever – also from an internet breeder. That dog was nothing but problems as you’ve cited, it never got better. Soon the behavior devolved into chewing things – valuable things. At 7 yo the dog dashed out into street did not respond to being called and was killed. The heartache that family endured over a dog that should have been returned was difficult to watch. At six months old, I’d opt to return the dog and ask for an exchange from a different mating. Then spend some time with the pups before choosing. I’m sure the breeder, if a reputable one, would want you to do that. Check out Google on how to pick a puppy and identify bad traits before selecting a pup. There’s a number of articles out there. My labs live 15+ years. Life is too short with a best friend to spend a majority of it reprimanding the poor thing.
on June 29, 2013 at 8:56 pm Don Daugherty

Agreed entirely, except you must remember he is only six months old. He is a puppy. Be stern with him, get him neutered too. That will take 50-60% of the wildness out of him.

I had to give my Maggie a few kicks in the butt when she was a puppy, and she was one of the best behaved girls you ever saw…

Don’t give up.
on July 9, 2013 at 8:30 pm Keith Levan

We just picked up our American Chocolate female lab here just under two weeks ago. The people that had the litter, 15, 2 died and 13 survived, had only had them in a Kidd pool, no retrieving and no obedience training, just basically trying to handle taking care of 13 puppies. In the 11 days we have had her, she is swimming in the lake. retrieving a ball and rope throw toy. Setting, stay command. Loves her crate. knows her name. Stays on the porch at night…..just absolutely amazed at her progress. We had am American lab years ago just by chance and finally had her put down at age 14+. Went to an English lab, now our experience, not saying this about nobody else s lab but very disappointed in her progress. Never did get her to even simple obedience commands. Finally gave her away. Paid $400 for her. Had a Chesapeake next, good dog, just a tremendous odor. health issues got her at age 7. This time went back to the American bred lab and as of right now she has impressed the hell out of me in 11 days. These people still have 7 left. Our vet was very impressed with her health records and dogs actual health.
on July 19, 2013 at 3:42 am george

My american chocholate lab is now 9 month and he is 33 KG = 77lbs
is he going to grow more he is also tall but i did not measure him
on July 19, 2013 at 6:50 am Rusty

I saw a British lab the other day and it wasn’t that big. I loved it! Is every British lab like this?
on July 19, 2013 at 10:03 pm Renee

I have and American Lab. She is actually my Mobility Service dog. I do not know that one is better than the other. I should also mention my father was her trainer. She has just turned two and “Bella” is outstanding!! I could not ask for a more loving or supportive companion to help me with my day to day activities. She is much more than my service dog. Bella is my companion and best friend. My dad has an English Lab. “Lilly” is also a great dog. She is more stocky and I feel not as quick to learn but maybe it is just that she has not had the training Bella has. Either way both Labs are incredible. I just do not see how people can say one is better than the other.
on July 21, 2013 at 7:38 am Rosewood Retrievers

One is NOT better than the other. A Labrador is a Labrador. So which STYLE a person chooses is a person preference. A friend of mine sent me an article one on the different Styles of Labradors I will find it post it if it didn’t get deleted. There are many different styles
on July 21, 2013 at 7:55 am Don Daugherty

Great name…. we had one called Bella, but she got Parvovirus when we got her and no therapy could save her. Now we have Anna-Belle, keeping the Bella memory going.

My English lab sometimes is a bit stubborn and has a personality all her own, but is smart as a whip!!

I feel like you…. Labs, gotta love um..!
on July 23, 2013 at 9:40 pm Susieq2870

It all comes down to your personal preference. My husband and I got an English lab first, and he is wonderful! So smart and a breeze to train! We decided to get another lab, we chose an American female. I never thought I would love her as much….but I do!! She is just as smart, sweet, loving and loyal as our English. And the two are the best of friends!! Labs are amazing dogs!
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on August 5, 2013 at 10:16 pm barbara

My family went and picked a pup from a breeders litter when the pups were only 6 weeks old and left a deposit. we were supposed to pick the puppy up in two weeks but got an email that the breeder was hospitalized and the people running her place sold the puppies..we were devastated and searched and searched for another but couldnt find one without having to wait a few months. My kids did not want to wait and we ended up at a place that was “supposedly” a breeder but I believe they were just a puppy mill now. We got a female lab at 12 weeks old, supposed to be full english. She is now 18 weeks old and I’m not sure if she’s english or american. Her face is not that squared (but I hear females aren’t as blocky as males) but her coat and tail are thick. She”s getting taller now and it seems her legs arent that short..Is it common to breed american and english?? We’ve named her Cassie and she is a sweetheart and we love her either way..just wondering
on August 25, 2013 at 8:32 am Ann Marie

I have both a 1 year old english and an8 month old american. They are very different to look at height, weight, shape of face and body, but they are such beautiful, good animals! To me a lab is a lab and in my book they are the best of the best ❤
on August 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm Henry Haugland

HenryH
We had a white shepherd for 9 years. Misty was lost to cancer a couple of years ago. She needed and loved exercise. Her best buddy, an English chocolate lab named Cocoa lived 2 houses down the block. Cocoa and Misty played together several hours each week. Cocoa loved the exercise just as much as Misty. One Friday I decided to see how long the dogs would run and play before they just powered down. At the time, Misty was 5 and Cocoa 3. These dogs ran and played continuously for over 6 hours. They then just crashed beside each other and went to sleep. Cocoa may be an exception but she clearly was an English lab that loved vigorous exercise.

We now have another white shepherd, Lilly, who is 4 months old and is high energy. One of her training classes has 3 black lab puppies in it. Two are American labs and one is English. All three of these dogs love exercise, are intelligent and downright adorable. We are now considering getting a lab puppy so Lilly will have a partner. I am not concerned about whether the puppy will be an American or an English lab. I think that there are countless examples of highly intelligent dogs from either lineage that have great personalities.
on August 30, 2013 at 12:44 am LabLover83

I have an American lab and he was a rescue from a kill-shelter. I got him at 10 months and he was absolutely bouncing off the walls. No one had trained him at all and likely just shoved him outside all day (I inference this by the fact that despite he was not trained at all, he was completely house-trained. I think he was never actually in a house before for any long period of time and therefore had no idea that he could even use the bathroom in the house!). After a good 6 months of working with him and exercising him 2-4 hours a day, he settled down in a way I never expected. As I write this, he is literally sleeping on my feet. We only played fetch at a park for about 30 minutes today. But, at almost 2 1/2 years old that is all he needs now. I take him out everyday but it is no longer once in the morning and once in the evening. He is housebroken completely, he doesn’t chew (even my shoes that lay on the floor in my bedroom!) and he is left alone with access to the house (doggy door) for 6-8 hours a day. He only gets exercised in the evenings for 30 minutes to an hour, except for the once or twice a month local retriever trial event. So, for all of you who say that American Labs are high strung, I would disagree and say that almost -any- breed of dog can become high strung if not properly exercised daily. I would call my lab energetic but he definitely has an off switch and in the house he is just as mellow and calm as the English labs are “supposed” to be. I grew up with an English lab that was way more hyper than he is!
on September 3, 2013 at 4:21 am Miguel Florencio

Hi I have a beautiful puppy American lab between yellow and red fox is 7mo. I always got english and for me is the same don’t worry if is am or eng or any different kind . All dogs are wonderful they just want to be loved and that is what they deserve they don’t care if you are fat or skinny they love any ways thanks.
on September 3, 2013 at 6:41 am Jim Prevot

I rescued my yellow field lab from our small town dog pound. I thought he must have been a runt when the vet said he was 10months old and weighed only 53 pounds. Vet said FEED Him 6cups a day. 2 months later he was 70lbs. Then i read up on Labs and learned about the field Lab. His looks and athleticism are like a field lab, but his temperment is more like a English/bench lab. He is the most Loving dog i ever owned. He can be any kind of dog you need him to be. He is smart, and loving, and brave, and funny. In public he is friendly with all. At home he is a fierce protector. He catches frisbees like a mad dog, and he can swim. yet he can sleep 16hours a day.. About the only thing he cant do is herd sheep or cows. But, then no when ever tried to teach him. Everbody loves him. He will be testing to be a therapy dog soon.He is my guardian and best friend. He is a dog who makes everybody happy, especially me!!!
on September 5, 2013 at 2:46 am engyellow

This thread tells me one thing-

To have a dog and love that dog are truly alive.

I have an English Yellow. To me, he is the greatest dog out there. He is handsome, loyal, listens well, and will be there for me as long as he can.

My sister has an American Black Lab. She loves her, to her she is the greatest dog ever.

My other sister has a Wolf Hybrid. To her, he is her protector, her world.

My other sister just had to put down her Rott/German Shepherd mix a week ago. She is still grieving tremendously.

A dog (in the right hands) will always be looked at as the “best dog out there”.

There is no better breed than the other. There isn’t a better looking dog than any other out there.

It is all in the eyes of the master. And most of the time, when you ask someone, they will tell you that they have the greatest dog around.

That is how important a dog can be in someone’s life.

So when everyone here wants to write down how much better an English is than an American, or vice versa, the only thing that I can see is that they love their dog that much, enough to size him up to another dog to explain why he is superior.

It’s all fair game, mine is better than yours= I love my dog more than words can describe.

Kudos to you all for loving your dogs 🙂

And for the record, my English is much better than any other dog out there…
on September 22, 2013 at 1:25 am Elizabeth White

I have an English Lab, today is her 14th birthday. I think she must have a little American Lab in her somewhere though as, although she is short and stocky, she has a delicate face (absolutely beautiful still, even with her greying muzzle) and a more delicate tail than usual. I worry about some of the earlier comments though about weight? Someone has an English Lab who is 82lbs?! I think that is far too much, my girl’s fighting weight, when she was younger, was around 55 lbs, she is currently 61lbs owing to the steroids she is now on for her arthritis. She is an old lady now but still an incredible companion and has one of the sweetest temperaments I have ever known. I will miss her terribly when she leaves me.
on October 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm Suzanne Lowing

This dialogue is great. I am so glad I stumbled on this site.

About 13 yrs ago, we rescued an Amer yellow male, 5 yrs old, with NO training other than giving a paw. Not even a “sit” command worked. Brought a great trainer into the picture and with one session, Bailey could sit, stay, and lie down. He developed into a wonderful, loving and well-behaved dog. He was friendly with other dogs and humans, but not excessively. Unfortunately, we had him for only three yrs, losing him to liver cancer.

About a yr later, we found a great English breeder at the Trenton Kennel Club show, one of the most highly regarded in the country. I gave her a deposit then and there for her yellow litter due in a month! We would get first choice.

We got Cody at two months. He was so smart and sweet. I also trained him as my Mobility Service Dog. Due to my chronic illnesses, I have limited muscle strength, so I used a Halti when walking him. My husband used just the collar. Cody was fine either way. He had an exuberant personality and loved every person and every dog that came his way. 🙂 He adored our cat; he would groom her every time she she nuzzled him. He died last Thanksgiving from prostate cancer. We still miss him.

Bailey and Cody were somewhat different in temperament, but I think that had to do with Bailey’s poor family life before we adopted him, not that he was Amer. Cody’s size was perfect for being my service dog, more so than Bailey’s. But, both of them were wonderful pets.

We are carefully searching for another male yellow English, at least 18 months old, to adopt. I have found that some rescue groups are not knowledgeable about the difference between Amer and English. That surprises me, and we can’t use those groups. If anyone knows of a dog available near Philadelphia/Harrisburg, PA, New Jersey, Delaware, or lower NY State, please let me know at slowing@comcast.net.
on October 10, 2013 at 10:55 pm laura

yes it does happen, we have a English, American and a mixed English American, they are all AKC labs and wonderful dogs
on October 15, 2013 at 7:22 am Terri

I recently lost my 9 1/2 year old male English Lab to cancer. I work from home and he was my constant companion…the first lab I ever had and the best dog I ever had. I spent $1750 the week before he died trying to find out what was wrong with him. His illness came on suddenly and he deteriorated fast. I was just heartbroken. It is the first time in 20 years that I haven’t had a pet. I know I want another lab. I found a very nice one in SC…I’m from Georgia…He will be 7 weeks old on Friday. I’m planning to meet him then. Last night, a friend of mine went on Craigslist to see if any labs were available on there. I found one that is 10 weeks old. A family had bought 2 male puppies and then found out they had to move out of state so they are trying to rehome them. They found a home for one of the puppies a few days ago. I’m considering going to see this puppy but I have a few concerns. About 20 years ago, I bought a Golden Retriever puppy. In that process, I found out about puppy mills and almost got my Golden from one. I’m so glad I found out I was dealing with a puppy mill and cancelled the deal before the pups were born. I’m not sure about the blood line of this lab puppy I’m considering. What kind of questions should I ask? Should I meet the person who originally sold this puppy? I can save $600 by getting this puppy over the one in SC but I’m a little hesitant because as of now I don’t know anything about the breeder or the blood line.
on October 15, 2013 at 2:09 pm Rosewood Retrievers

I’m very sorry about your loss, it’s hard to lose a family member. Nothing wrong with checking into a better deal, but yes there are questions you want to ask.
These are all questions for the breeding facility, so you will have to get the information from the person with the puppies.
1. Ask if you can see their facilities
2. Ask if the parents can be seen and where
3. Ask how often they breed their dogs (should be only once a year)
4. Ask to see a pedigree
5. Ask if the parents are certified (hips, eyes, elbows, EIC, CNM) these are the main concerns
6. Ask if they are UTD on vaccinations
These are probably the main questions you want to ask, hope this helps.
on November 5, 2013 at 7:49 am Amy Lozaw

I have an 18 month old American black male and a 5 month old English black male. They are so different personality wise in their own way. The American was much smarter and easier to train. The English is kind of hard headed. Is this common? Or is it just the dog himself? He was harder to house train. I did the crate training with him whereas I didn’t with the American. These are the first Labs I have owned, have had numerous dogs over the years and have fallen absolutely in live with these 2 boys I have.
on November 5, 2013 at 3:11 pm Rosewood Retrievers

I think it was just the dog, you can find stubborn pups in both the American and English Labs.
on November 5, 2013 at 3:27 pm MariJean Leiffer

LOL! I think it’s just the difference in their personalities! We have a 3yo English Black male who figured out housetraining from the get go. However, he his the most stubborn dog I have ever owned and wants to do things on his own schedule, we call Angus Time!
on November 5, 2013 at 7:05 pm Don Daugherty

Yes, it is true in my experience too. My English lab is wonderful, but she is hard headed sometimes… but we love her more everyday. My last Lab was an American lab and she was much faster to train, and learn the names of her toys, etc.
This one I have is just a year old and coming along. She is still fascinated with a leaf blowing in the drive way… LOL
on November 5, 2013 at 8:13 pm laura

it the dog, I have 3 and they are all different and I just love them!!
on November 8, 2013 at 2:24 pm Nicole

We rescued a lab/golden retriever mix from the local Human Society. We could never figure out why she was built the way she was. Glad to know there are actually two lines. Certainly explains a lot. She’s not the slim sleek lab I was used to seeing. She’s just built bigger! Everyone tells me she’s fat when I say she weighs 100#s but she’s not!
on November 18, 2013 at 9:28 am Michelle

My lab is 80lb and the vet insists he’s overweight. He has 350g of pro plan per day and a frozen carrot (with no other snacks) after exercise. We walk for 1 1/2- 2 hours in the morning and 1 hour per evening. I don’t think he’s fat but the vet has told us to put him on a low fat food. Help
on November 20, 2013 at 8:35 pm Don Daugherty

Is he Neutered? Many labs after being fixed, just naturally pound on the weight.

I suggest more exercise, and less food, swapped out for more frozen carrots, frozen non fat yogurt, and even cabbage or greens when they are on sale.

The vet is a vet… meaning many years of school and loads of experience. Trust your vet.

My lab will eat watermelon rinds. She is like a four legged garbage disposal.
on November 27, 2013 at 8:09 pm Barry

which breed makes a better house companion
on November 27, 2013 at 11:35 pm lisa Eisler

16 years ago I went to pick up a puppy. I am English and I had just moved to American. Always having a dog I was lost without one, I went for a lab for obvious reason. When I saw the puppy I said to my sister thats a mongrel, no way thats a lab but I don’t care a dog is a dog and I took him. 6 months later someone said to me what a pretty American Lab and nothing has changed, he is beautiful. I will say he had to be walk 2 to 3 hours a day when he was smaller and his energy never dropped until the last couple of years. He has been the best friends ever and I will have a hard time losing him but what a life we have had together. Best dog ever, American labs rock but you get what you put into them. They need exercise they need a job but what a breed they are.
on November 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm Mike F

I have both, a Black English, Zoe and Yellow American, Capone. They are in my opinion however two separate breeds. The muscle strength and long line of a strong healthy American is amazing. The English has a beautiful stocky appearance with a heavier slicker coat, very calming to look at. The temperament between the 2 is also somewhat different in regards to energy except when they curl up on the couch with me.
on December 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm Mn hunter

I’ve have own two American labs in the past 20 years and both have had 2 different personalities. My first was a dog that could find any bird kind of dog. My second is a get there before it hits the ground kind of dog. My point is that it’s all about the personality of the dog. I had trained them both the same and both are amazing dogs with lots of love and loyalty. I’m sure the English breed is the same. Labs are in my opinion the best dog for a family no matter the breed.
on December 3, 2013 at 10:53 am Marla Lynner

I am so happy to have found this article. I have an American lab pointy face long legs and a longer tail. For those reason people are always questioning if she is pure bred. Saying things like ” oh no she couldn’t be she looks like a mix.” Funny thing is I have her papers and all though it doesn’t matter to me one way or the other if she is pure bred people sure like to voice their opinions about the subject. My Belle is my baby and has been the best dog I have ever owned. No dog can compare I am just happy to see an article explaining the difference. Thank you.
on December 3, 2013 at 2:05 pm Tom Wisniewski

My nine year old male yellow lab’s hind legs have started collapsing whenever he brakes when running. He is lean, 75 lbs and walks two miles daily as he has for years. He has taken glucosamine daily for years. Any idea as to what the cause may be? How serious is this condition? We often hike in the woods. Please email me anything you can to help my boy. Thanks.
on December 4, 2013 at 3:16 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Tom
You can run an DNA test (cheek swab) to see if he may have EIC (Excercise Induce Collapse) This is where they loose their back end due to exercise. There is no cure but after a few minutes they recover and are back on their feet. It doesn’t seem like they are in any pain, but it crazy to watch. I do have some dogs with this problem and they have all lived healthy lives. You just have to watch them carefully and especially in water.
on December 4, 2013 at 3:18 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Glad to have helped explain things. Doesn’t matter what style of Labrador you have they are all Labradors.
on December 4, 2013 at 3:20 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Either one is great in the house, I have an American and an English Labrador in the house.
on December 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm laura

both, I have a English and American and a American English mix, love all 3
on December 17, 2013 at 11:10 am Amanda

My American lab is surrounded by English labs and when asked his breed if I mention he’s a rescue then I hear a guessing game of what else he could be mixed with. Now that I know the difference I can explain he’s an American lab. As he’s grown its clear he’s all lab, he lives to retrieve, swim, and run like a race horse. And then there’s the negative comments about his weight, insinuating I don’t feed him enough or asking if he was a recent rescue. He was thin even though the vet said he was a healthy weight, but now that he’s approaching 2 years old starting to fill out and not look as lanky.
on December 20, 2013 at 1:43 pm Bill from Pittsburgh

I have a 4 year old female black english and she an awesome member of our family. Her father was a champion show dog (ShyGuy). The breeders we chose were wonderful. We were invited to tour the kennels and meet our pup’s mother, Molly. Molly was very friendly but also very calm. Turns out it was a trait that Ariel (our lab) inherited from her mom because she was pretty much out of her puppy stage by about 18 months.

All my life I’d loved German Shepherds and always wanted one. My wife, however, had been bitten in the face by one when a child and was understandably reluctant to own one. So we settled on a lab. I’m so completely in love with the breed that I’ll never own anything but a lab again.
on December 22, 2013 at 2:17 pm Laura

I’m on this site because we’re thinking about getting a puppy after 3 years of not having one. Just reading all these stories makes me cry thinking of our two Labradors we have lost to cancer. Aspen was an American chocolate and Bridger was an English yellow. Great hunters and companions! The only trouble we ever had was Aspen with her ailing eyesight and hearing, became aggressive to people getting near “her” front yard and front door! We are looking for an English because we like the “look”, not because one is better than the other!
on December 22, 2013 at 7:53 pm Rosewood Retrievers

We do have a litter of English style Labs coming due 1/14/2014. They are out of a GCH out of the Belquest kennels. You can view all the information on our website http://www.rosewoodretrievers.com
on December 22, 2013 at 7:57 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Yes unfortunately the American labs get that ALOT they seem to go through a gangly stage. But they grow into beautiful dog in the end
on December 23, 2013 at 1:21 am Michelle Dickinson

My lab, in my eyes looks healthy. He’s taller than some labs I know with a deep chest. What is the heaviest a healthy lab can be. You can feel his ribs without pressing but the vet says he’s still too heavy

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on January 4, 2014 at 12:17 pm Nancy

So happy to have stumbled upon this thread. We had a “perfect” chocolate American Lab for 14 years and put him down in November, Vico Blue hunted upland game with my husband and was the family “lap dog” on his days off. We also have an almost 2 year old chocolate American Lab, Cola Blue who is proving to rival Vico in his “perfectness!” Love the English too but couldn’t be without my American buddy! We too recommend, intensive and constant training in the first year, this will make for a lifetime bond and a great family member.

We are in Alberta, Canada and got our Cola Blue from Marble Mountain Kennels in California, he flew up all by himself, was met by an animal specialist customs broker in Vancouver for some playtime and a snack and then made the last leg to us!

Finding out about Rosewood is wonderful, now we have another option for our future family members!
on January 6, 2014 at 7:08 am Ted

Our english Lab ,Izzy, is an absolute delight to our family! We love her! She is 18 weeks now and is 36 pounds, and growing. Some advise to potential lab puppy owners, have lots of chew toys on hand. Also , obedience training would not be a bad idea for your puppy,as this breed is very confident and can be stubborn some times!

Enjoy!
on January 9, 2014 at 3:27 pm Gary

My 10 month old male ‘English Style” chocolate lab (Max) is awesome. Great sense of humor, loves to goof on my wife and me. Very sweet, loves the water, and running with other dogs (loves all dogs and people he has met) at the dog park. As others have said, he will eat as much as we feed him and what he can get counter-surfing; he is wicked fast getting food off our kitchen counters. My brother has a beautiful “American Field” yellow lab. She is very sweet, loves to swim and play with Max. Loves to eat….bla bla bla. They both are champion bloodline labs but bear no physical similarity. Another striking difference is energy level – his (American) having significantly more energy and need for exercise. So as others have said, in my humble opinion it is more a matter of personal preference (appearance) and to some degree perhaps energy levels and your respective lifestyle – BOTH TYPES ARE GREAT.
on January 12, 2014 at 2:24 pm Ron Taylor

I lost my Star puppy April 3rd 2013. Star was an English lab that my neighbor brought home as a puppy. Star always wanted to be with me and at around 18 months I gave her her obediance training and would walk her on a leash. I got busy with work and hoped they would keep it up but they did not. When she was 4 years old the husband and wife had devoriced and she was offerd to me, as I had worked overseas and was considering going back I said no. I did not want her getting attached to me to only be deserted. She disappered for a few weeks, the neighbors said a friend took her but then she was back. I asked what happened they said they had gave her to the pound but got to feeling guilty and got her back. A few weeks later they were losing their house and offered her to me again, I gladly took her. Star was 4 years old when I got her and had a habit of blasting out the front door and down the road given any opportunity when they had her and this scared me. I bought a shock collar and after getting her spent the first 3 days walking her and spending all my time with her.O the 4th day I put the collar on her and opened the front door. Star flew out the door leaped off the front porch turned around and looked at me like, are you ready to go? I had her for 4 wonderful years, she weighed 92 pounds and had energy like a puppy always ready to play. Star died of cancer. she was in stage 5 before she showeed any signes of being sick. She started throwing up on Saturday morning, went to the vet onn Easter Sunday, back to the vet on Monday and admitted and died that Wednesday. I am heart broken and crying as I write this. She could not stand for me to leave her even when I went ot work and I miss her mre than words can explain. I am very lonely, I as 60 have never been married and have no children and no living family. Star was everything to me. I have in the last few days been looking at web sites and breeders nad considering a new puppy but as I write this I realize I am still not ready. I miss my baby.
on January 16, 2014 at 4:35 pm sue

l love my english lab. i dont know what i would do without him , but i want to ask anyone who has and english labe. dose you drip alot from the mouth. . thank you
on January 22, 2014 at 6:11 am francisca

hi i have yellow English lap of 4 months old both male and female for adoption contact me at van_v3eve@hotmail.com
on January 23, 2014 at 6:05 pm Rosewood Retrievers

I’m so sorry about your beautiful Star, it’s always hard to loose a loved one. I lost my beautiful Gander just 2 weeks ago and it broke my heart. He was my buddy and my hunting companion. I still talk to him as if he is still in his kennel. When you are ready for a new addition maybe we can help you fill the gap.
on January 23, 2014 at 6:09 pm Rosewood Retrievers

We’ll your vet knows best, but I would think if you can feel his ribs he’s probably just right
on February 9, 2014 at 5:54 am Liv

I’m sitting here, reading this to my American/field lab out loud and he’s just staring at me like I’m crazy. (He was actually bred to be a hunting show dog, however did not meet the standards. He was too large and bulky. They were going to give him to a shelter, so we swooped in and saved him before they did. Funny. He’s quite tall and lanky now and he points just wonderfully)

I think it would be wonderful to have a distinction between the American and English lab. I love both and they are both just so unique.
on March 9, 2014 at 11:01 pm Alicia

In doing some research about lab puppies I’ve just recently discovered that there are different lab breeds. Now having seen the physical differences I know that our parents/family dog was an English Lab. We have had both breeds as pets but personally I prefer the the english. They seem a bit more affectionate and docile; laid back even. They are excellent with small children. We currently have an american and an english so its nice to see the similarities and the vast differences. For anyone who has not owned an English Lab you should try it. You will instantly have a lovable family member who does nothing but get better with age! They do tend to be a little more….”beefy”! But our Gus is the best six month old, seventy pound, bull in a china shop ever!
on March 15, 2014 at 8:13 pm Juan Mariscal

Do you have English chocolate
labs for sale? And what is your price?
on April 2, 2014 at 8:43 am Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Juan, I do have one beautiful English Labrador Male from a Bronze Grand Champion and My Sadie. I have disscounted him from $1500.00 to $1300.00. You can view all the health certifications and also the pedigree on our website http://www.rosewoodretrievers.com
on April 2, 2014 at 1:35 pm Robert

I don’t know but I have a pure breed chocolate lab female. And she is my daughter. I love her so much. She’s a american. I love labs they are the perfect dog for all family sizes. Man’s best friend= that’s were they get it from labs.
on April 29, 2014 at 9:53 am Roland

We have a 1-year-old American Lab (brown) named Sophie. She is an active and affectionate member of our family who never leaves my side. I wouldn’t trade her for anything. But, it annoys my wife when she walks Sophie and people don’t recognize her as a Lab. Many people ask if she is a Weimaraner (dude, they are gray). One astute person asked if she was a Vizsla (nice guess because they are similar looking, but cinnamon color). I love Sophie’s slender, athletic build and, boy, is she fast. A neighbor has an 8 yr old chocolate English-style lab and I she is stocky with short legs. Sophie is sooooo much better looking.But, the Vizsla is a good choice too…very similar to the American Lab.Check them out.
on May 1, 2014 at 8:41 am carol

Thank you for this info. 🙂
I had a Lab left by my daughter when she moved out. I now know she is a American Lab.
She will now be 11yrs old this year. I have had to watch what she eats as she has always had a dodgy tummy.

When I’m at the park, people thinks she is only 2 or 3 years old as she runs n runs also loves to jump n swim. She has a sleek body frame with long legs which now explains why. She did have a pedigree when my daughter bought her, but I never saw it as my daughter now lives abroad and it got lost in the packing/move.

I love her to bits and is the nicest nature ever also extremely obedient, I wouldn’t part with her EVER!
on May 19, 2014 at 7:08 am Cory Pylkka

I read your comments about British Labs being ” show or bench ” labs.. Right there you are dead wrong.. I owned two American labs, yes they hunted and I did run them in field trials. I now have a British lab.. Far from a ” show or bench” labs. We hunt grouse , pheasants, woodcock , ducks, and geese. Hunts and retrieves everything. One hell of a nose. The best part is so is not high strung. There is no need for a heavy hand. You suggest cross breading the two for a moderate show of field dog.. I think you need to educate yourself a bit more. What ancient thinking. Get with the times.
on May 23, 2014 at 9:42 am Phil

I really don’t care about you’re English or American versions of Lab> I amONLY concered to find a HEALTHY Yellow Lab bitch pup. OFA & HIPP certified, along with her eyes and alll the other disorders the “over breeders” have propogated. I don’t care about money back “guarantees” when 6 months or a year after bringing a pup into my home my dog is crippled or vision impaired. Unlike so many “breeders” once the dog is acclimated to my homre and family she is family not just a commodity to be returned, taken out back and shot in the head left for the coyotes and buzzards.

So who is an honorable kennel selling healthy little yellow bitch pups not asking a king’s ransom?
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on May 27, 2014 at 4:07 pm Kim

How can you tell if you have a full blood or not?
on May 28, 2014 at 10:34 am laura

well if you want all them test done, you are going to pay!! these test are not cheap and the cost is past on to the buyer, I know some good breeders, but the cost is 1200 and up and some may not give you breeding rights. look up under AKC, you will find breeders there.
on June 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Thank you Laura, you are right it is not cheap to certify a breeding dog. After you do the hip, elbow, eyes, EIC, CNM, heart then you are into the dog any where from $600.00 to $1000.00 depending on the tests.
on June 4, 2014 at 12:46 pm Rosewood Retrievers

Kim I would call AKC 1-919-233-9767 and ask them if there is a DNA test to prove the breed of a dog.
on June 4, 2014 at 12:59 pm Rosewood Retrievers

I don’t care either if it’s an English or an American I have both. We do our best to sell HEALTHY pups, this is why we certify all our adults on hip, eyes, elbow, EIC, CNN and heart on the show labs to hopefully guarantee a healthy puppy. Unfortunately sometimes things happen, we don’t require the dog be shot!!!! or even be put down, we understand that they are a part of your family. If something is wrong with the hips, eyes, elbow, What we do require is that you have the dog spayed or neutered and you can keep the dog. We’ll refund the price of the puppy or give you another one, your choice.
on June 17, 2014 at 4:01 pm Jane

Is there any way to tell whether my 6 month old yellow lab is English or American? She is small even for a female – only 34 lbs. at this point. She has a beautiful soft thick coat and an otter tail with a twizzle. She is a mellow pup, yet not afraid of anything and eager to play with all humans and animals to the point of being a nuisance. The registered AKC breeder has shown her dogs in field trials, but I think that at least one of the parents may be English. I didn’t think to ask the breeder which they are, and she doesn’t respond regularly to emails. Are there any signs at 6 months of which she might be?
BTW, many feel that the two should be different classes, but I think that cross breeding would be the ideal!
on June 23, 2014 at 4:06 pm laura

if you had a pic I could tell you. I have 2 that are American with some English and 1 that is all English
on June 26, 2014 at 1:26 pm Ari

I have two American black labs…they are both hilarious. My thoughts after reading some of these post…love all dogs, English, American, and especially the good ole mutt.
on June 26, 2014 at 7:16 pm Tony

I have really enjoyed reading everyone’s comments on this blog. We recently adopted a 6 year old English Lab named Xena from a rescue organization in Illinois. I’ve been involved with Greyhound rescue for several years and this is our first lab. She is such a sweetheart and fit in with our family on the first day like she’s been here forever (and gets along with our Greyhound wonderfully). We believe she was somewhat abused before the rescue group got her and also required ACL surgery, so she walks a bit stiff when she first gets up. We have only had her a few weeks, but she really catches on to learning quickly, and we have her signed up for an obedience class starting next week. Looking forward to seeing how she blossoms with us in our family! Thanks for all the information on this great site!
on July 1, 2014 at 10:35 am Matthew Over

This really helped me because I knew my lab had american descendants but I didn’t know that you could get american labs and English labs, no wonder mines more energetic and not as big and blocky.
on July 9, 2014 at 7:50 am Byron

I just got my very first lab, a 3month american chocolate lab, Linus. Loving every second I spend with him. My question is, since i’m a newbie with labs, how do I take care of his coat. How do I make it shinier and fuller? He’s always at my side and enjoys me running my fingers thru his coat. It makes him sleep in few seconds.
on July 13, 2014 at 7:49 am Lisa

I thought something was wrong with my 4 month old American Lab when I saw a similar age lab at vet who was much bigger (English). Now I’m informed via internet. Never knew there were two different types of labs. Thanks for the new info. I love my pup no matter what kind of lab he is. He is a great addition to our family. We have lots of room and water for him to romp and play!
on July 13, 2014 at 11:45 am Don

English labs are notably smaller in length, girth, and neck/head size than an American lab. But just as big in spirit, and affection towards their family.
on August 2, 2014 at 7:18 am Susan

After reading all this, I definitely want an English lab for our laid back family. Any suggestions for breeders here in Maryland who don’t charge an arm and a leg?
on August 27, 2014 at 10:09 am hindsightstwentytwenty

Thank you so much for this article!

I am the proud pet parent of two beautiful black Labradors. One is an American Field Lab, the other is an English Lab.

Sassy, the AFL, is of course, taller, leaner, and has the longer and thinner snout. Because she looks so much different than Lily, the EL, people think she is a Lab mix. I’ve tried to explain the difference to them, but they just don’t buy it, EVEN SOME VETS! Despite the papers. Grrrr

Thankfully, I finally found a wonderful vet who knows the difference. He acknowledged Sassy’s keen senses, her agility and her personality. She IS 100% Lab. Thank you doc! She obeys so well, even when she’s half out of it, it’s hard to deny her breed. 🙂 But then, there are papers..lol

She’s AKC, Lily is UKC.

Again, this article is well written and very informative. I’m sharing it with my friends, along with photos of my girls.

Thank you!!
on August 27, 2014 at 12:46 pm Matthew Over

Hiya, I have an Yellow American Labrador and she is 7 months old. Her best friend is an English chocolate labrador and when they’re side by side you can easily see a clear difference between them. And they are both beautiful dogs and the AKC SHOULD list them as two types of Labrador
on September 1, 2014 at 8:19 pm laura

some of them are mixed English and American labs,still AKC
on September 4, 2014 at 6:04 pm Skip

I have both an American and an English. The American was given to me at 19 weeks because he was higher energy than his owner, and my former dog had recently passed on, so it was known that I wanted another dog to share my life with. At the time, I knew nothing about the differences, he was my dog and that was all that mattered. About a year later, I became the daddy of a black English who was not wanted by her owner so left outside and ignored. I welcomed her to the family, as did Simon, my American. The two are best of buddies! Though Lula, the English is about 8 and Simon, the American is 2, the both hop up and down and go crazy to take our daily walk through the pasture enroute to a swim in the river. In the water, the difference shown, though I am not sure if it is age or sub-breed that makes it so. Simon will swim and swim and splash and chase and play, while Lula prefers to wade along the edge of the water and investicate holes in the riverbank. Both will follow a scent through the field. Both love their cat brothers and sisters dearly, letting the cats curl up against them at night. Both are super affectionate, though Lula is content to lay still and have her belly rubbed while Simon wants to participate in the petting process and usually wants to give kisses and nibbles.

In short, as pets, both are the best. If I were to work them, Lula would be the show dog while Simon would be the hunting buddy. For me, they are my children and my life is better having them in it.
on September 21, 2014 at 5:08 pm Laura

Wish I could share with my neighbors, everyone at the dog park, and have hand outs of this article wherever I go! I have a 8 month old English Black Lab (Abby), and everybody thinks she is a “mix” and ask if I am sure she is not part Pit Bull because of her boxy head! Do I really need to carry her papers with me?! She is the sweetest most loving and well behaved dog I have ever had. This will be the breed for me from now on. I am even considering getting her a companion next year!
on October 2, 2014 at 12:01 pm Penny

I have an English chocolate lab who is 5 months old. I have always had smaller dogs in the past and decided to get a lab after research. I choose the English because of the temperament and he is my little man. He is so loving and so well behaved. I am sold from now on it is an English lab for me!
on October 2, 2014 at 2:20 pm Cindy

Once you love a Lab, you will always love a Lab!
on October 2, 2014 at 4:57 pm Libby White

English chocolate labs are just the best. My lovely chocolate girl has just celebrated her 15th birthday and I’m cherishing even more the time I am getting to spend with her. Being her human (which is how I think of it rather than she being my dog) has been the most enormous privilege of my life. You’ve made a marvelous choice, Penny, one you’ll never regret.
on October 7, 2014 at 10:15 pm barbara

Me and my family purchased a yellow lab when she was 12 weeks old. They told us she was an English labrador. Cassie is now 1 1/2 years old and I believe she is half english and half american. She’s starting to get taller and her face is not boxy but not very pointy like most american labs. Her tail is thicker than the typical american lab but does point upward like the american labs. She will run like crazy when shes with other dogs but can be lazy at times as well. She is intelligent, loving and an all around wonderful companion. She has a wonderful temperament and listens well. She is the love of my life!
on October 27, 2014 at 6:26 am Chris Davis

I have a fantastic American Labrador (Stymie) he’s an ex-military trained IED search dog (3yrs Old). He is absolutely fantasitc, everyone comments about how muscular and fast he is, this dog is happiest racing after a ball or swimming in nearby lakes! A very loyal companion and a fantastic addition to our family.
on October 27, 2014 at 6:30 am Chris Davis

We have an amazing 3yr old Black American Labrador. He’s ex-military so trained to search for IED’s.
Whenever we are out with him everyone comments about what a good looking dog he is. This breed is so athletic he is truly at his best when playing fetch or combining playing fetch with swimming. Stymie has become a very important member of our family.
on November 2, 2014 at 2:36 pm Sue

I have one American and one English Yellow Lab! ….nvr knew there were different types! Love both my girls equally! My two have been awesome dogs and I wouldn’t change a thing! ❤ Labs!
on December 10, 2014 at 6:29 pm Madi

My lab is American and mixed with husky, and about three years old; last but not least his name is Wreck.I love my cute little fur ball!😄😄
on December 20, 2014 at 2:50 am gunjunky7520

The truth is most labs you see on the street are a mix of the two. Some breeders have a real preference of one over the other, like the host who prefers and breeds American style, which is fine. A lot of you before reading this article had no idea that there was a difference. I had a very tall, lean lab that very much was American, but had a very English blocky head. He also was pretty calm. Great dog, loved him to pieces. I had no idea there was a difference between English and American until a few years after he died. I would think most breeders have a specific goal in mind for their line, which can range from very lean tall labs, to short blocky labs, to anywhere in between. If you want a good lab, look at the parents and look at the breeder. Do your goals match up close enough? You’ve just found your perfect dog.
on December 27, 2014 at 2:05 pm Ann Bailey

Hi, I have a 7 month old 1/2 American Lab (I only recently learned the distinction between bench & American) and 1/2 Newfoundland. The Newfie only shows up in his coloring, he looks like an oreo cookie. Otherwise, he is all American Lab in build, disposition and personality. Wish we’d known the difference at the time we got him, because we are a more sedentary family and enjoy time at home. He definitely enjoys running and leaping, so we take him to the dog park to “blow out the pipes”. I guess the saving grace for us is the Newfie mixed in…he does enjoy down time with us and is napping on an easy chair next to my husband as I type this. He definitely has his hyper moments, though. Hoping he’ll settle down with training and maturity. I love labs!
on January 4, 2015 at 4:20 am Joel

I have a 3.5 month yellow lab and she was born with neurological problems. She is been having problems walking and maintaining still, we have helped her with massage in her legs and have helped her walk and even build her a mary-go round to helped her walk and stand. I ranned out of resources I really need some advise :-(… I was planning taking her to tu humane society to seek a better program or a family. Please help us!
on January 4, 2015 at 11:07 am Don

Where are you located?
on January 31, 2015 at 1:33 pm Robin

I have a 10 y.o. Am Lab. We live on Lake Erie and she loves to swim, even in the winter. She is black but with a touch of white on her chest and one front paw, also the tip of her tail. We got her at a pet shop and she was sold as an Australian Shepherd/Lab mix, but as she grew she clearly is total Lab (Block head, otter tail, webbed feet,etc) Is this white a defect or is this common in blacks?? I have a feeling that’s how she ended up at a pet shop, because of the white on her.
on February 2, 2015 at 10:43 am laura

she may take after mostly lab, but she is not full lab
on February 2, 2015 at 3:28 pm rgwinwood

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on February 2, 2015 at 4:47 pm Robin

Laura, she is a Lab, no question. In doing further research, after i wrote this post I’ve learned that blacks can, in fact, have white markings. It’s not uncommon apparently. Although this would never be permissable in a show. Even yellows and chocolates can have “mismarks.”
on February 2, 2015 at 4:53 pm Don

Thanks… I am referring you to a friend that wants to buy a lab.
on February 2, 2015 at 8:30 pm Don

You are correct. It all comes down to isolated genes. I had a black lab, she was a doll. She had a small patch of white on each paw/toe, and one on her chest.
on February 3, 2015 at 4:32 pm laura

do you have papers for her and a DNA to go with it, if not you cant say she is full lab, our labs have have both, also it is acceptable to have white on the chest but not paws. they may also have wavy hair down the back
on February 3, 2015 at 4:35 pm laura

unless you are breeding her all that matters is that you love her
on February 3, 2015 at 6:14 pm Beth Delmonte

i am a dog lover I have had Golden retrievers all my life but my hubbie wanted a lab and we have an english black lab and we are so in love with him. He’s huge, very very calm and he looks like he has newfie in him even though he’s a pure bread. I know black labs have newfie in them but he’s very unique looking. Huge head which is traditionally part of the big difference between the american and english labs. Just bought a second one.I personally as far as preference like the english labs better but I love all dogs and have a special place in my heart for all retrievers.
on February 3, 2015 at 6:18 pm Beth Delmonte

I heard chocolate labs have a completely different lineage then black and yellow and can be very difficult to train and temperamental????T=My breeder whois the #1 AKC in NY never has chocolate labs.
on February 4, 2015 at 12:43 pm barbara

Beth, wondering what differences are between the golden retrievers and the Labrador retrievers? you’ve had both now and i’m curious
on February 4, 2015 at 8:00 pm Don

The price…
on March 1, 2015 at 9:45 am Leroy

I don’t know of any reputable breeder that sells AKC offspring for $600-$700 & there is no such thing as an “American” lab, they’re field labs
on March 13, 2015 at 9:31 pm donna

It’s obvious this is a remarkable breed. Lost my 17 yr-old field lab last year and was blessed with a ‘take the dog or we have to put it down’ year-old english. Both are incredible dogs. The field was the sweetest dog ever; the 100lb. english can, and must, learn anything – we’re now teaching him to jump and wipe his feet (running out of things to teach!).
on March 28, 2015 at 6:43 pm Jim

Hate to break it to you but English labs dud not originate in the UK. They orginated in Canada. They were bred for helping fishermen retrieve their nets.
on March 29, 2015 at 8:23 am Don

You are correct. The breed was developed to create a faithful, obedient, hearty swimmer that could jump into rough waters and retrieve the purse line on the seine nets. Grasping it in their jaws and pulling it to the neighboring boat to assist the fisherman in closing the net around a larger area, thus capturing more fish. DNA history shows the original breed in New Found land.
With the dogs help the fisherman could close in an area half the size of a football field, or pitch, depending on what side of the pond you live on.
on March 31, 2015 at 10:08 pm Michael

I lost my boy Coal in August 2014 after a 15 yr 11 month partnership. Those that met him, and there were MANY, know what I miss. He was always by my side. No leash required, ever. I still can’t believe two families gave up on him before he found me. American style, 72lbs, always up for a walk, hunt, no matter what the weather was. I miss him dearly.

My next dog is currently inside a beautiful yellow American style, sired by a yellow English boy. I can’t wait to begin working together.
on May 15, 2015 at 5:45 pm Horsedoglover

I think I have an American, he isn’t big-boned but he doesn’t have long legs. He’s six years so he isn’t going to grow any more. s he American? For those of you who think so,he is a chocolate and he isn’t temperamental, and the easiest dog I have ever trained, His sister was the sweetest dog I have ever met.
on May 16, 2015 at 11:30 am Horsedoglover

His sister also was a silver, pretty much chocolate.
on May 16, 2015 at 7:10 pm laura

he could be a mix of English and American. I have a black American-English ,a yellow American and a chocolate English ,all AKC, you can breed English and American together. AKC does not separate them, it is not uncommon, they are still labs
on May 19, 2015 at 4:21 pm Maryann

My family and I had a yellow American Lab. We had her since 6 months old. She was rescued along with four other labs that were lying in a ditch that someone discarded there, most likely threw out of their car or truck because it was near a busy road. We had her 14 1/2 years. This Sept. she will be gone 3 years and I can’t bring myself to get another because she was the perfect dog. Smart, only had one accident in the house because of an illness. She was highly sensitive to my feelings and others. When I was sad, she would come and put her head on my lap and try to console me. She was sooo loved and we would spoil her. She loved Chinese food. When we went to their restaurant, we made sure we brought her favorites home for her. at times since she was a puppy, she would have seizures most likely from being thrown in a gutter, probably hit her head when landing. She didn’t have them often but when she did it was awful. We had her treated but mostly from natural means. When we came home one evening she was having a seizure and never came out of it. Some say she never knew what was happening but I don’t know for sure. Our neighbor across the street had an English black lab and our dog and theirs were always together, they looked like salt and pepper. Our dogs name was Brandy and our neighbors dog was Licorice. Licorice got runover by her owner accidently and had to be put to sleep. Brandy wouldn’t eat for such a long time from being depressed. I believe both are together in heaven because I believe all God’s creatures have souls.
on June 4, 2015 at 5:09 am Stan

My wife I love the Lab breeds. We have a Black English, named Myla. What a sweet animal, She just melts your heart. She is a rescued dog and got her 1 1/2 years ago. She is 3 now. She loves the pool and speeds time in it. Never leaves our sides. Last week we rescued an American Lab, a beautiful yellow. She is over a year old and just a sweetheart too. Can’t believe someone would dump this loving dog. She is already well trained and full of energy. We hit the jack pot again. Both the dogs already are inseparable and play like kids. The lord has blessed us with these two great babies, and with us both being retired, camping is on the agenda. We look forward to many years this or family. If you don’t have a Lab, get one!!! You won’t be disappointed.
on June 21, 2015 at 1:51 pm Kim Adigwe

I recently adopted a dog from the Kanawha Charleston Humane Association in West Virginia. They told us she was a lab mix,” Because labs are not as tall and lanky as she is.” My vet breeds American Labs and he said that she was full blooded American Lab. The bad thing is that I couldn’t take her sister and she is still languishing at the shelter.
on July 12, 2015 at 12:38 pm Nick D

I am an avid duck and goose hunter who frequently hunts in cold water. I personally find the English lab (I have a 1.5 yo chocolate who is 90 pounds) much better for my purposes. He is very broad chested, muscular and compact, and intelligent. He appeared to learned much quicker than several of my hunting partners American labs. He also seems to take the cold water better, and has the ability to break through thin ice with his chest better than the American labs we hunt with. He seems to handle retrieving the larger birds much easier, geese in particular, than the American labs we hunt with (which weigh about 20 pounds less). That said, I would take an American lab all day if I need a higher energy dog, such as upland bird hunting. A friend of mine has a well trained American lab for quail and pheasant hunting and that dog can cover fields all day, something my English lab could not do. Again to emphasis the article, you need to pick a line (English or American) that fits your individual needs. I needed a stronger build that could handle swimming in very cold water, not one that had to run large fields without rest. Both are excellent at what they are built for.
on July 12, 2015 at 3:34 pm Don Daugherty

Truer words were never spoken. My English lab is so smart and she is a tank! My American lab can run for six hours and never tires. He is relentless.

American, all skin and bones. I feed him sometimes four times a day. Cannot put weight on him. Annie my English, she has to eat twice a day. Else she will get fat, but smart, nothing compares. She is half human, and after my wife, she is my best friend.
on July 12, 2015 at 4:06 pm MariJean C.

Agree with you 100% Nick D. Although we are not hunters, we have 2 English girls and 1 English boy. All three are barrel-chested athletic dogs and all no doubt, if trained, would be wonderful hunting companions. As for our friends and relatives with American, they too are wonderful dogs, but ours can keep up with the best of them: and may not be as agile in some ways, but very powerful and strong. Whatever fits your family or lifestyle is the important part!
on August 21, 2015 at 3:50 pm Lynn deVoogdt

After having my yellow (white, actually) AKC lab, Mercedes for almost 2 years now, I am
glad to find out why the judges were so hard on her at the IABCA dog show.
I knew I was buying an American Lab, must admit that she was $100 less than
the other two litters of English labs and I wanted a white lab female puppy. She
had us as soon as she ran out at 4weeks old and stole my cowboy hat and ran away with it. She is my “Angel” dog. Now I am not sure she may not have English lab also. She is tall, and long-legged but tends to carry too much weight. The judges thought her overweight, muzzle too narrow, tail not thick
enough, but she did manage enough points for her championship. She is supremely intelligent and loves all dogs and people-obedience classes, agility,
the dog show, all helped her settle some so that she no longer wants to drag me over to play with another dog. And finally, she got some playmates. We always knew we were going to breed her. When we bought her we had two old
mutts , a terrier and a mixed border collie, both over 11. She swims in the lake every morning now with her 4 mos. old “mate to be”, Iceman, a “white” yellow English Lab, definately the blockier head and Our other “breeding pair”, Berger Blanc suisse (like fluffy white german shepperds), J Brhett Maverick of Trebons, a year younger. (he will be 1 yr the end of December-he got both
his national and international baby championships through the IABCA show last
February). He came from Trebons kennels in Spain at 10 weeks old. His “mail order bride” arrived from Germany at 8 weeks old this May and her breeder brought her himself and stayed with us for 5 days to make sure we were a good fit. So, we have two old dogs (12 and 15) and four young dogs under 2 that play 70 % of the time and sleep the rest. The female BBS is Legend-of-White Gossamer Lace, or Laci, 5 months old now. Mercedes and Maverick both passed their Canine Good Citizen and the two pups their STAR puppy through puppy socialization class. next is pre-agility and canine good citizen
for the two babies, Agility classes and maybe Therapet for Mercedes and
confirmation shows for the two pups in September. Mercedes has her eye certification and will get her hips x-rayed after 24 months, the others too. We
plan to breed her on her 3rd heat( maybe March), artificial insemination from
a lab in Minnisota, English lab, Rhinestone Cowboy, or “Ace” from Loyal Labradors. Put you all to sleep, I know, but I did enjoy reading all your entries
about American and English labs and I think we will go with a mix between the
two. We don’t have a website yet, but will be Lonestar Lake Labs and BBS,
email is lonestarlakelabsandbbs4@gmail.com Lynn in Frankston, TX
on August 26, 2015 at 12:51 am klucciel

I agree with those who say the lab dog in general are great dogs. I have had three dogs from pup to year old to start for years. One was a springer/lab mix and kind as can be, but incredibly stubborn. Second dog was a registered English lab. Very boxy thick bodied chest and hips, not tall at all; but he must have had a tiny bit of American in there, since his head was not so short. He also weighed 70/80ish pounds; this dog was breed for the water.

He was unbelievably eager to please, but took so long to settle down; and we did end up neutering him; which seemed to cause all kinds of health problems after that. Both dogs were neutered, and fed grain free type diet. Second lab was extremely athletic and swam like a fish. And as I said before, he seemed to be a water bred field Lab type, but with all the English attributes. He wasn’t as fast/agile. Not as quick of a sprint runner and a bit slower on his feet; but he was incredibly active with long stamina, playful and calm in the house. He was a pleaser; he could fetch and swim above/beyond any dog I have ever seen. This 78/80ish lbs dog never thought he was anything but lap puppy at 13 yrs.

My current lab now fourteen months was bred from field championship bloodlines. He has more American, he is leaner, longer and quite a bit taller then others; muscular but not quit as wide. He has unbelievable confirmation, absolutely gorgeous; but thinner. Like the original labs looked from long ago.

Like my other labs, he has the stamina, agility, intelligence, willingness to learn as both of them combined plus. His dame was tall and lean; under seventy pounds and sire around a hundred pounds. So he seems to be in between.

I disagree with those that say anything about the American/field type being higher strung or not as calm; or needing more out time. I think it depends on the personality of the dog and the people who work with the dog. My third lab was fetching on command and house trained the first week (nine weeks old) without being crated; he sleeps in our kitchen/gated opening. He stopped chewing around the house years before the other two. There are a few favorite toys he loves and those keep him preoccupied when we are too busy. He is just as attentive in the house, very calm; and he keeps himself preoccupied.

My lab will bring us his leash when he needs to go out; if there are any additional needs from his usual times. The other two, rang a bell on the door.

The biggest difference I can say that kept this pup from being over energetic and/or being more eager to please is his diet. I switched him to raw at 12 months; and it changed everything. I only wish I had done it right from the get go. He calmed down immediately, seemed happier and more content. So much so, that I decided to not neuter him. This guy is an amazing puppy, and sharp as a tack. He can is incredibly fun, enjoyable; and way ahead in his training in comparison to any dog or breed I ever owned or worked with. Look for a pup that is not so independent, but plays good with others. If you train him with lots of love and encouragement, and correct him when he is wrong, redirect, etc. that is the best you can do, and by all means, consider his diet.
on September 2, 2015 at 6:57 pm Annette

Eng. Labs have “blockier heads”….Are they block headed? My lab is stubborn. Is that a trait of this breed? I adopted her when she was 5yrs. And you just can’t make her do anything she doesn’t want to do
on October 22, 2015 at 3:01 pm donnie kerr

i have an english lab named chum hes exactly the same as the picture of the english lab at the top that shows an english lab hes a butiful dog
on October 26, 2015 at 8:13 pm Zach Stevenswood

I have a BEAUTIFUL male black lab, I rescued 12 years ago when he was around 2 years old.

He’d been the SMARTEST DOG I’ve ever known!!!!!! He is so incredibly obedient, INTELLIGENT, well mannered, loyal and did I mention SMART?!

I really am amazed at the level of intelligence he shows, he picks up new vocabulary words that we’re not even trying to teach him and he learns our habits, mannerisms and so much more with zero training.

He’s not at all precocious (except when it comes to anything edible).

Anyway, he was recently diagnosed with terminal cancer and we’re devastated and sad to be losing such a dear companion and I know some day I will definitely want another dog in my life and we’ve had such incredible good fortune with Zach that I’d like to try to get a female, maybe chocolate, of the same breed. I’d like one about 2-3 months old to begin training her at an early age. We want to get the same breed that Zach is.

Trouble is, I have no idea what he is exactly.

Can you possibly share any insight?

Here are more photos of Zach on his Facebook page… https://www.facebook.com/zach.stevenswood/photos_all

THANK YOU for any advice!!!!
on October 26, 2015 at 9:06 pm Don

Is he a mixed breed, (Mut)?? He looks from the small photo of his head to be an American lab. The photo does no full justice because you cannot see his chest, leg length, rear end, etc.

I had a half black American lab and half beagle. One of the smartest dogs I ever had.
on October 27, 2015 at 12:43 pm MariJean Curry

What a beautiful boy Zach is! I think along with black lab, he has some sort of hound, mastiff or great dane in him. Good luck . All these breeds explain why he is so caring and smart. Can ask vet about dna testing . there are a few out there, not sure of pricing.
on October 27, 2015 at 10:58 pm Ron

I’m so sorry you are loosing Zach believe me I know what you are going through, I lost my Star April 3rd 2013 and am still not over the loss. I am of course no expert but Zach appears to be an American Lab with some English Lab in him as are most Americans Labs,that is my understanding anyway. His tail and slightly blocky head look English, he lacks the deep chest of an English Lab though and appears to have a longer nose like an American Lab. What ever he is he is a handsome dog and he looks very happy. My Star was the smartest dog I ever had, loving, loyal and just wanted to be with me and do anything and long as we were together. I am truly sorry for your loss.
on October 28, 2015 at 11:28 am Lynn Paterson

My female lab is an American Lab and I swear she even understands
what I don’t actually say. She is two, Mercedes. We are going to breed her
to an English lab from Loyal Labradors in Minnisota, artificial insemination.
His name is Ace. Puppies may be here in March or May. They are both yellow
labs but white in color for 3 generations. We are raising our own English Lab
stud but he is only 6 months old-next litter for him.
on October 29, 2015 at 3:41 pm Barb

Hi, I have a 8 week old puppy. She yellow like her dad,her mom was black n her brother chocolate. I was sent a picture of her dad ,but it was a little shot of the head. I was told she a purebred. There was a divorce in the works n the puppies were going to be shot if a home not found fast. That said..I didn’t even know there’s English n American. I would love to know which she is. How old will she b before I may know.
on November 1, 2015 at 6:35 am Rosewood Retrievers

The one thing you have to remember is when people say the are English or American that is just a style. A Labrador is a Labrador, an English style may have a little bit longer legs or not quite a boxy head and an American Lab may be shorter than his siblings same litter. All are different just like humans. But they are all Labradors just the same.
on November 1, 2015 at 6:45 am Rosewood Retrievers

Yes you are correct they are Field Labs!! It’s just the words people use. And I very much disagree with you about the price. I’m a very reputable breeder all my dogs are health test and matched with the correct mate to produce the best quality of puppies possible!! And I sell some of the litters for $600.00 to $700.00. I don’t believe in ripping people off in price. On the other hand if I bring in the breeding from FC AFC or NAFC and GCH bloodlines then of course they will be $1500.00 to $2000.00. It all depends on the breeding.
on November 1, 2015 at 6:48 am Rosewood Retrievers

No it’s not the trait of the breed like in all breeds there can be some stubborn ones
on January 16, 2016 at 6:15 am Jamie

I have a chocolate field lab and she always gets compliments on being slim, but her Lab eyes which are common to both lines keep us feeding her slightly ore than they should. Both types were actually originally bred in Canada and used to be called lesser Newfoundlands or St. John’s, which makes it funny that over the years they have come to be know as British or American.
on January 19, 2016 at 3:12 pm RJ

I rescued a 6 year old male english lab: he is the most loving, entertaining,
adventuresome, loyal “Best Friend” I could have ever imagined!! I am
truly blessed!!
RJ
on March 1, 2016 at 11:57 pm Stephanie

I have a 10 year old pure bread papered English chocolate lab. He’s absolutely beautiful. A brick *house. I want to stud him for his offspring. Not for money but one of his male offspring. I’m new to this and just want some advice. I’ve owned many retrievers and my ceaser is gorgeous! please send me information or contact me…My email is smo13vegas@hotmail.com. My # is 563-528-0233…
on May 2, 2016 at 3:53 pm lillebird@aol.com

I lost a 12 year ol black in Feburary. I can’t even think to find a dog a beautiful and great..he was the most beautiful dog. He was long leged but had a big head…a combination I suppose..I would love to find a breeder that could match is beauty. His dame is no longer alive and the breeder is not breeding…any ideas anyone?
on May 5, 2016 at 8:39 pm Lynn Paterson

Can’t promise our pups would be just like him, but my 1/2 American, 1/2 English “White” ( I know AKC only recognizes Yellow, but she is white, as
was the stud and all the pups) just delivered her first litter two weeks ago..
The dad was Loyal Labradors Lightning Flash, an all English lab, so they
are 1/4 American, 3/4 English. Mercedes ( my girl) is an absolute angel,
so sweet and smart and a great Mom. I miss having her with me all the time.
Still a boy and girl available.(see pics at my facebook page, Lynn Paterson
or lone star lake labs and bbs or email me lonestarlakelabsandbbs4@gmail.com when can I start seeing which of the
pups look more “English” and which more “American”? Lynn
how do I post a picture?
on May 9, 2016 at 10:18 pm Lynn Paterson

My Labrador female is half American and half English lab. She just had puppies by an English lab so they will be 3/4 English and 1/4 American,
too soon to know exactly how that will effect their looks. She is an absolute
angel dog, so very sweet and easy going. the stud owner said he was the same. They are yellow labs but pretty nearly pure white ( even if the AKC
does not recognize the color). They are 17 days old today and we still have
one male and one female unspoken for. Like me on FACEBOOk if you are interested. I am not sure if I can leave a picture here, but there are lots of
Mercedes and her pups on there. Lynn
on May 10, 2016 at 11:25 am Lynn Paterson

Facebook is Lynn Paterson or page: lonestarlakelabsandbbs
on May 21, 2016 at 10:42 am Sally Deuschle Berger

We are currently looking at bringing home a female chocolate English lab from a breeder. She was a breeder dog that they have retired. She is three and looks beautiful…I was wondering if anyone on here has gotten a retired breeder dog from a breeder and what their experience has been. We had a 15 year old Shepard mix that passed away two years ago and have been looking for a new dog ever since. We had gotten him from the local city shelter so we are unfamiliar with what we should look for or questions we should ask in regards to her life up until now. Thanks.
on July 24, 2016 at 12:48 am Rebecca Bailey

We have an 18 mo old black English Lab. We live in Southern Ca. And at the Dog Park we constantly are asked, not is she a Lab, but what breed is she?!!! Every time we walk her……what kind of dog is she??!!! We had our last American Chocolate Lab die of cancer at six…..devastated us so we looked for a lab with health clearances….after many months of looking we were offered a little older dog that was to be shown but they kept her back. She is a beauty, confident, hard headed, smart, hard to train, harder to potty train, very very slow to mature and a wild one. After several classes she is trained and potty trained but although she is on the short side…21 inches, she is a brut at the dog park, and plays with the big boys and doesn’t back down. She hates to retrieve and doesn’t like water but her blood lines are all grand champions and expert duck hunters!!! She is more of a scent hound….the older she gets the smarter she gets!!! But I still don’t get that folks can’t see she is a Lab…..or we are told that their tall Lab is an English Lab….once a young man said nice English Lab…..the only person…….she came from Sunnydayz Labs near the Canadian border……Linda Moffett is the kennel owner.
on July 24, 2016 at 8:05 am Rosewood Retrievers

Yes you will always get that from people. They also say that about the American Lab. It doesn’t look like a Lab. But there are many styles and looks. I also has a very short girl that gets the same thing.
on July 24, 2016 at 8:08 am Rosewood Retrievers

If you are still looking for a nice black puppy I have a male and female available. Tiara is nice and beefy and Razzle is also a very handsome dog.
on July 24, 2016 at 8:09 am Rosewood Retrievers

Just pick a nice certified female with the look that you like
on August 11, 2016 at 10:32 am Gary Tink Sanders

I have the best of all worlds, my chocolate Lab named “Reese” had an American mother and an English father (I know I did not use correct terms for distinguishing their sex but I don’t care) at 8 months he is a staggering 85 lbs and taller than either of his parents. Reese looks great, has a lot of extra skin still, extremely quick to learn, he was potty trained in a few days, it took two days to train him to use a bell by the door to go outside, fetching came natural to him, I have taught him to heel left or right side, working with him on tactical heeling but he doesn’t particularly like to be straddled. Reese gets a long with other dogs, cats and even pheasants. Reese will lay there while the pheasants crawl all over him, he is my buddy, I could not have made a better choice for my puppy pal.
on August 11, 2016 at 11:49 am Robin U.

I just brought a nine week old “charcoal” Male, American breed Lab named Huckleberry (Huck for short) I wanted the taller, longer-legged labs for activity and swimming (we live on Lake Erie). So far he swims in the lake and is fetching for the most part. Having a hard time with potty training. He’ll play for over an hour outside and then come in and do his “business.” Very frustrating. Any thoughts or suggestions?
on August 12, 2016 at 8:41 am laura harrington

I have a english/ american black lab (diamond) she is my best behaved one and loves to fish, swim and play ball. she is very easy to train and she is also a lap dog. She is 5 yrs and 80 lbs and has HD I also have a american yellow lab(honey) she is very protective of me she is 4 yrs. she is very very lovable 68 lb she is also a lap dog. she loves water, playing ball and jumping very very high. And than there is Buster, english 4 year old chocolate lab 100 lbs lap dog, does not care about a ball he wants the biggest log that he can carry and wont give it up, He is the most funny goofy dog that I ever had even the vet calls him goofy. after 6 different tries to mate him and 2 1/2 years, he now knows what to do and honey will be having english/american pups any day now. I really am not sure that it matters which one you get they just have their own personality they are all different and i love them all!!!
on August 24, 2016 at 1:43 am KLE530

Robin
When you have a pup, he can’t hold his urine long. Try taking him out every 2 hrs for a few minutes. Ask him to pee with excitement. Then praise him when he does. Build up to every 3hrs then eventually more.

My pup was fetching and house broken first week at nine weeks. Praise does wonders.

Idea is, you want to praise him a soon as he goes outside. Encourage him to pee while outside. Maybe you need an older dog to cue him.

Good Luck, Kim
on August 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm Robin

Thanks for the tips. He is actually doing better since I wrote the first message. Just a little immature, I guess. LOL. He also seems to delight in his own feces. Ew.
on November 4, 2016 at 12:36 pm Cutlips

We just rescued an american lab. He was in an awful situation. Chained to a car and starved to death. After some “persuading” and chaining the dead beat to the car he decided it was best to re home.
We have owned English labs for years and I honestly did not realize the difference. He is so much leaner and way more energetic. He is a good bit taller as well. He does not take to water though like our English lab. At first we thought he was a mixed breed but our vet feels certain he is not. 98%.
I do prefer the English over the American. They seem to have a better personality that fits our family’s needs. A lot of that could be his past environment though. He is not at all mean and plays well with our sons but seems to have a lot of short falls in the learning department. Our English labs seemed to pick up everything extremely quick.
Either way he is a good dog and in a much better place with lots of room.
on January 4, 2017 at 6:11 pm Leticia

Hello, I had an American lab, he’s name was Max. He died six years ago. He was the best dog ever. Smart, obedient and soo lovable. After he died we decided that we were not going to get another and then one day I saw this ad on the internet. This place was selling these beautiful black labs and we went saw them and got one. He is the most beautiful English lab we have ever seen, I mean he’s gorgeous.
on April 6, 2017 at 5:10 pm drdonnawoods

I have a 13 year old chocolate American Lab. She is the joy of my life. I got her when I was very ill and not sure I’d make it. The year I got her I was bed ridden and she grew up on my lap. She worried over me and to this day, she warns me of a relapse before I even know I’m getting sick. She has always been calm loving and obedient. I recently got a new lab a now four month old chocolate English Lab. I have had it pull out all the stops in training her including pack psychology. The calm of the two???? I don’t think so, lol. Okay she’s house trained, does well on a leash is learning not to jump and the grandkids, so making progress. Yeah, well she is still a bold faced little thief and thinks it’s funny. Nothing is sacred with her. I still can’t find the TV remote! So not sure about the calmer of the breed. But if anyone has a suggest about her kleptomaniac behavior I’m all ears.
on April 6, 2017 at 5:48 pm Don

Get her small basket full of stuffed toys to play with. Once she knows they are hers she won’t steal your stuff anymore…
on April 6, 2017 at 6:30 pm drdonnawoods

Don, thanks for the reply! She has had her toy box, but while she plays with them she prefers the treasures she’s able to confiscate from me. Lol The toy box yours/mine has always worked with my other dogs, not this one though. 😭
on April 11, 2017 at 10:53 am Stanley E Kozloff

My wife and I have a Black English Lab and Yellow American Lab. Both are great dogs. The black is a lover. Sweetest dog I ever had. She’s 6 and never a problem. Loves to go. You open the car door and she never trys to get in until I tell her okay. She is that way with all the things she does with us.
Now the Yellow American is 2 1/2. She also is a loving dog, but sneaky. When I am outside, she never left me get out of her site, but when I go in for more than 15 minutes, she is off exploring. When I call for her, she is back in 5. You could lock in a trunk and she would find a way out
The girls are as much outside dogs as they are inside. We live on two acres, so the weather dictates how long the are outside.
In short, the dogs personality has a lot to do with the way they are. Give me either breed anything.
on April 11, 2017 at 3:16 pm MariJean Curry

My husband and I have always had black English labs, and by way of the rescue where we got our first lab we agreed to foster a black german shepherd not knowing anything about the breed, but knew we needed to help her. Maybe it’s personality but we call her our English lab with the pointed ears. She is a lover like the other two, wants to be with you 24/7, and loves to eat like our beloved labs, which shepherds are not known for. So is it personality, or did our “Foster Failure” shepherd just realize how great it was to be a lab!
MariJean Curry
Orchard Park NY
on July 7, 2017 at 10:27 am ladyoblivion

The American Labrador, now referred to as the Field line, originated by breeders who bred for high retrieve drive and not for looks. But the first Labradors here were “English” imports so to say they are genetically different is incorrect. They look different but not because they are different.

The “English” Labradors bred and raised in America are no less American Labradors than are the American Labradors less English….unless of course they are the product of a Labrador bred in England and used at stud or visa versa.

The major difference is WHAT is the breeder is hoping to accomplish, ..for example, is the breeder mating dogs to achieve the look now demanded by the subjective judging in the show ring? Or is the breeder breeding to meet the demands of field trial judging? These goals diverged into what are two “types” of look of a Labrador – they are all still Labradors.

This diverging into two types is now being corrected by some breeders who are deliberately trying to return to the traditional moderate build of the early Labradors. They are breeding Field type with good bone and within the AKC standard of the breed to Show type with good bone and within the AKC standard of the breed.

My parents were breeders in the 70’s and 80’s – our foundation bitch was an English born and bred. They sought out stud’s that fit the standard but who retained the retrieve and water drive. I spent my early adult years with rescued Labradors of both “types” learning – and purchased what was to be my own foundation bitch from a breeder with international champions in her stock.

Raising her, I learned that she had no retrieve or water drive and was of a fearful nature despite the socialization we did with her. We did NOT breed her and started over looking for the labrador I knew as a child.

She lived here with a Field type who was way outside the standard in height and with a long narrow skull and long nose. His personality traits were everything I knew of the Labradors I’d grown up with despite his looking more “American”.

I set out to find other breeders who agreed with me that breeding for the “look” and breeding for the “traits” could be done with careful pedigree research. We breed the traditional dual purpose Labradors to achieve both the AKC standard for “look” and the original working dog traits.
on September 16, 2018 at 7:12 am Steve

For the purpose of this discussion I will not call these dogs English or American. Most comments here are incorrect. Typical misconceptions about what is actually an English lab. Most of what people call an English Lab is not English at all but an American bred dog bred for their looks and competing in the show ring. All of our labs whether show or field originated from England.
The English have the same issue with the differences between field and show. The English field bred dogs are very similar to the American field bred dog. Funny how it divides people. Show people call the field dogs names like Greyhounds and Whippits, Filed people call the show dog names like pigadors or kegs on legs. Unless your dog was imported directly from England or has a full English pedigree behind it I dont believe it is English. I personally prefer the field bred dogs, There can be a wide variety of looks coming from either side. Yes some field dogs are tall and thing but is mostly a product of poor breeding. The majority of dogs I see running field trials are on the taller side but not thin or skinny but are big boned and very athletic. I have trained a lot of dogs and it is my experience the majority of show bred dogs don’t have Stamina or endurance to go all day in the field. Also most don’t have as much drive and desire as a field bred dog. I have one in my kennel right now that has a ton of drive and desire. While he is not what my mind say is the way a lab should look I really like him and would keep him if the owner would let me. Another misconception is that the field bred dog is too hyper. I disagree there too, most of that is environmental. My personal dogs are all very highly bred on the field side some coming from a sire that has a reputation of being absolutely nuts but my dogs are just as good a house pet as any out there because they are raised as part of the family. Any one of my dogs could be unruly nuts if I let them but they are awesome members of the family because they have been raised that way from day one.
Field or show is just a matter of preference but it really bugs me when show bred dogs are called English which generally they are not.
on September 16, 2018 at 7:53 am Rosewood Retrievers

Hi Steve,
the Labrador originated in Newfoundland in the 1500’s the first breeds known as the St. Jon’s Water dog. I used the verbiage of English and American as styles. Trying to explain the different styles. I also breed the field style and love them both. It’s a personal preference and opinion on how to explain the different styles of Labradors. All in all a Labrador no matter what style is still a Labrador

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